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Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by somedude895 »

verisimi wrote: post #151
heavenlyblue wrote: post #69

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I am sorry but this is exactly the same argument that a lot of Russian population uses. Yes, we may not know everything, but we are more informed than the Russian/Chinese population in general.

How? Why do you think so?

Not sure if you're just being a contrarian or you actually don't know, but it's quite clear why.

Is Western media biased? For sure. Do Western journalists go to jail / get disappeared for writing things the government doesn't want them to write? No. (But I'm sure you'll find counter-examples as well if you look really hard for proof of what you want to believe)

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Post by beebeepka »

waihtis wrote: post #182
beebeepka wrote: post #148

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It looks very rational to me. I say that as someone who lives across the Black sea and have suffered under their rule and feels for the Ukrainians. Placing weapons next door to any powerful entity is recipe for conflict. It sounds like you're repeating the same talking points over and over. Russia felt threatened and attacked. What did the US do to Cuba when the Soviets put weapons there? Oh, that's right. Eternal em…

> It looks very rational to me. Based on...? > Russia felt threatened and attacked. By what? By Ukraine's Bayraktars? If you want me to get off my high horse, please provide something that can change my position

I don't control the media that surrounds you. Cannot change your opinion

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Post by beebeepka »

brandmeyer wrote: post #180
beebeepka wrote: post #177

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Haven't been lifted because... completely unrelated reasons? Is that it?

Haven't been lifted because the same regime which justified the actions in the first place is still in power doing the same things. Foreign military weapons installations didn't have anything to do with it then, and doesn't have anything to do with it now.

If that is all you can say, I don't think we should interact ever again. Reads like standard US propaganda. Must be nice living in that one dimensional world

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Post by waihtis »

beebeepka wrote: post #212
waihtis wrote: post #182

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> It looks very rational to me. Based on...? > Russia felt threatened and attacked. By what? By Ukraine's Bayraktars? If you want me to get off my high horse, please provide something that can change my position

I don't control the media that surrounds you. Cannot change your opinion

I haven't consumed any mainstream media for the past 5 years.

Believe it or not I sympathize with the generic Russian citizen's autonomy and interest for retaining their own identity and culture. It's a tremendous shame all this has happened. As a Finn, we could have a great country right next to our border with something completely culturally unique and different from your average European country, which more and more meld culturally into a generic Euro-American amalgamation, indistiguishable from each other.

Instead it's turned into a nightmare dictatorship which has now ruined everything above and more importantly has potential life-threatening consequences to me personally and my country.

There is nothing here but sorrow for everyone involved.

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Post by JanisErdmanis »

tialaramex wrote: post #203
JanisErdmanis wrote: post #170

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Wouldn't it suffice to have a rather imprecise time + counter in the GPS message? So if multiple messages arrives the one with the largest count is kept. I wonder if the problem lies in a different aspect of needing to authenticate messages quickly enough and thus requiring more processing power.

This is not a packet switched network and you are not receiving nice neat little messages to decode, you've got a radio receiver, the real transmissions are from a satellite in space, while unfortunately your adversary is transmitting from radio towers or even a portable transmitter, much closer and able to be supplied with energy easily so more powerful, but on the same frequencies. Also, be careful with assuming th…

I agree that there is an issue with overwhelming the satellite transmission frequencies. However, the signal can never be delivered earlier by adversary as signal travelling in air is about the physical limit. Perhaps only a stalking satellite could intercept and deliver the message faster, but that seems like a sci-fi.

> got distracted trying to prevent spoofing

Indeed overwhelming the processing power with junk seems the important issue if crypto is added.

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Post by waihtis »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #202
waihtis wrote: post #198

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”The 1993 constitution declares Russia a democratic, federative, law-based state with a republican form of government. State power is divided among the legislative, executive, and judicial branches. ” Yes, their attempt was a miserable failure in many ways, but it was a democracy, albeit a very shallow one.

And in what ways is the current administration not a very shallow democracy? I feel like ever since the Ukraine invasion Russia has been down-graded from "flawed democracy' to 'autocratic dictatorship' - I mean it's not Switzerland but it's hardly North Korea..

Do you not keep up to date on current affairs? When criticizing the Russian war effort can land you in jail for 15 years, it's getting very close to NK - shortages and all included

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Post by CRConrad »

saiya-jin wrote: post #147
Delk wrote: post #95

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There's no way Russia pissing Finland off to any conceivable degree would risk war or military retaliation from present-day Finland. None. The same goes for any other Nordic (and Baltic) countries. The current Russian regime likes to demonstrate its power now and then, though, and to try and project its influence through intimidation. They can do that with their significantly smaller neighbours with no risk of milita…

Well they may push Finland to Nato, which is a major strategic fuckup on Russian part. Considering how Finns are generally portrayed in Russia I think its stupid to be a direct Russian neighbor and claim neutrality now... there is no such thing as neutrality in this case.

> Considering how Finns are generally portrayed in Russia I think its stupid to be a direct Russian neighbor and claim neutrality now...

I also think its stupid to be a direct Russian neighbour and claim neutrality, but I don't connect that to how Finns are generally portrayed in Russia. (I hold that opinion just on general strategic and historical grounds.) In fact, I didn't even know Finns are generally portrayed some particular way in Russia.

So, how are Finns generally portrayed in Russia in your experience, and/or how is that realated to the stupidity of being neighbours with Russia and claiming neutrality?

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Post by throwaway_4ever »

RobertMiller wrote: post #156
atoav wrote: post #13

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I watched that evaluation yesterday and I think it is spot on and I second your recommendation. Many western officials (as most people) seem to be unable to put themselves into this different environment and framework of values. Knowing a lot about a country helps, but judging them by the values you'd have doesn't help you a bit. Edit: Take the below with a grain of salt, this is one personal experience which can/sho…

This reminds me of the way my troop used to play "greased watermelon" in boyscouts in America. Basically get a watermelon greased up with vaseline, throw it into the lake and let everybody battle royale over it. There were usually some black eyes by the end of it, but it was a lot of fun.

That’s a real thing?! I thought it was a random Always Sunny plotline haha. What a strange game.

https://youtu.be/AV2cy84Qh8U

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by LAC-Tech »

waihtis wrote: post #216
LAC-Tech wrote: post #202

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And in what ways is the current administration not a very shallow democracy? I feel like ever since the Ukraine invasion Russia has been down-graded from "flawed democracy' to 'autocratic dictatorship' - I mean it's not Switzerland but it's hardly North Korea..

Do you not keep up to date on current affairs? When criticizing the Russian war effort can land you in jail for 15 years, it's getting very close to NK - shortages and all included

Do you not keep up to date? I live in New Zealand, a western democratic country and if I possess or share "objectionable material" of a political nature, I could land in jail for up to 14 years.

And usually has a pretty light touch on this kind of stuff compared to Australia, Canada or the UK.

So no, that in itself is not enough to prove to me that Russia is an autocratic dictatorship, when parliamentary democracies all over the world have similar laws - they reserve the right to throw you in jail for content that expresses threats against the regime.

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Post by sdeframond »

waihtis wrote: post #182
beebeepka wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It looks very rational to me. I say that as someone who lives across the Black sea and have suffered under their rule and feels for the Ukrainians. Placing weapons next door to any powerful entity is recipe for conflict. It sounds like you're repeating the same talking points over and over. Russia felt threatened and attacked. What did the US do to Cuba when the Soviets put weapons there? Oh, that's right. Eternal em…

> It looks very rational to me. Based on...? > Russia felt threatened and attacked. By what? By Ukraine's Bayraktars? If you want me to get off my high horse, please provide something that can change my position

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