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Re: Vanced has been discontinued

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Post by tjader »

MathCodeLove wrote: post #218
rakoo wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vanced was proprietary, it's too bad for users but I won't shed a tear for its developers and would actually advise against doing anything that keeps it living. The very fact that there is a need to get apk archives before the links die is an artifact of being proprietary and would not have been an issue with Libre Software. The only way that makes sense for all of us as a democratic society is to keep control, and t…

I don't get this argument against proprietary software. People building software should be able to expect payment for their work and effort. Food is required for a healthy society but would anyone here advocate for farmers to give away all of their produce for free? Text-tiles are necessary for society but would you advocate that clothing be provided by the creators free of charge? The only thing different about soft…

I think a more apt comparison would be requiring farmers to make their farming techniques public, not giving away the food they farmed.

Re: Vanced has been discontinued

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Post by margalabargala »

MathCodeLove wrote: post #218
rakoo wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vanced was proprietary, it's too bad for users but I won't shed a tear for its developers and would actually advise against doing anything that keeps it living. The very fact that there is a need to get apk archives before the links die is an artifact of being proprietary and would not have been an issue with Libre Software. The only way that makes sense for all of us as a democratic society is to keep control, and t…

I don't get this argument against proprietary software. People building software should be able to expect payment for their work and effort. Food is required for a healthy society but would anyone here advocate for farmers to give away all of their produce for free? Text-tiles are necessary for society but would you advocate that clothing be provided by the creators free of charge? The only thing different about soft…

You seem to be under the impression that permissively licensed software is unable to be sold, nor developers financially compensated. This is not the case.

There are plenty of successful software companies whose offerings are not proprietary, yet manage to pay their developers well. Example products:

- MongoDB

- Red Hat

- Docker

- Elastic Search

- Vagrant

Re: Vanced has been discontinued

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Post by Zak »

sreevisakh wrote: post #167
oh_sigh wrote: post #115

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How does one differentiate between a service being greedy, and a service simply not operating as charity?

The difference is in the bait and switch tactic they employ. They started by offering the service for free and without ads till there were no good competitors. And then they switched to showing obscene amount of ads. Most users and a good bunch of creators are unhappy about the way they ruin the viewing experience. If YouTube declared their true intentions at the beginning, we wouldn't be yearning for competent alter…

I dislike ads as much as anyone, and I use adblockers aggressively. If I can't use something without regularly seeing ads, I usually stop using it.

With all of that said, Youtube operated at a loss for a long time, which is impossible for anyone but a government or a charity to sustain indefinitely. According to this article, Youtube was not profitable in 2015, nine years after Google bought it: https://www.wsj.com/articles/viewers-dont-add-up-to-profit-f...

I don't think "greed" makes sense as an insult directed at a for-profit corporation. It is by nature a machine to maximize shareholder value; it is nearly as amoral as its recommendation algorithm that tries to maximize watch time. Of course, letting machines run amok is dangerous and antitrust laws used to keep them in check, but not so much anymore.

Re: Vanced has been discontinued

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

zachberger wrote: post #204
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #122

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Enabled the YouTube app to check it out and it's still trash. Quickly disabled. It's not about the money- it's about respecting the user. The app is so full of garbage I won't pay for it. The day they shut down NewPipe is the day I just stop using YouTube on my phone and tv.

> it's still trash > The app is so full of garbage Can you elaborate?

It's just a conveyor belt of bs. I can't disable comments, chat, etc. I don't care about uploading shorts. I'm tired of constant redesigns or moving things around. I just want to see videos related to what I search for or channels I'm subscribed to.

I instantly feel like I'm capital to be maximized rather than a respected user when I open YouTube.

Edit: While typing this they felt the need to use a push notification for some breaking news video. Add it to the pile of bullshit.

Re: Vanced has been discontinued

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Post by Raineer »

MathCodeLove wrote: post #218
rakoo wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vanced was proprietary, it's too bad for users but I won't shed a tear for its developers and would actually advise against doing anything that keeps it living. The very fact that there is a need to get apk archives before the links die is an artifact of being proprietary and would not have been an issue with Libre Software. The only way that makes sense for all of us as a democratic society is to keep control, and t…

I don't get this argument against proprietary software. People building software should be able to expect payment for their work and effort. Food is required for a healthy society but would anyone here advocate for farmers to give away all of their produce for free? Text-tiles are necessary for society but would you advocate that clothing be provided by the creators free of charge? The only thing different about soft…

Open-source has nothing to do with preventing people from making money. This is like a Microsoft argument from the 90s.

Re: Vanced has been discontinued

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Post by rg111 »

I had stopped using Vanced a few weeks back, because I couldn’t download videos beyond 360p.

Now I know about Newpipe, but I manually download some videos with youtube-dl and then Syncthing them to my cell phone.

Then watch it with VLC.

It works perfectly fine for me.

Btw, I think they had to stop because they tried to profit from it. I dislike them for it. Apparently they tried to mint NFTs [0]. Later they said it was a joke, but, NFTs were actually minted. So, the joke thing was a cover.

[0]: https://nitter.net/aseldesu/status/1503117413679869952#m

Re: Vanced has been discontinued

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Post by Zircom »

dspillett wrote: post #179
eins1234 wrote: post #96

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Wow, how did I just find out about Sponsorblock? That makes this news even sadder. :(

I draw the line before sponserblock. At that point you are taking money directly from the content creators, not YT or other platforms. I held out on blocking ads for some time, until it became impractical to avoid drive-by attacks other ways and the amount of stalking involved got _really_ creepy. If sponsor segments irritate me enough that I'd consider sponsorblock then I choose between paying for the content direct…

Sponsorblock looks pretty harmless as far as affecting creators getting paid, it doesn't seem to do anything that can't be replicated by hitting your right arrow key a couple times so weird place to draw the line in my opinion. Pretty sure sponsors can't tell if people fast forwarded through the sponsored section.

Re: Vanced has been discontinued

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Post by netr0ute »

hunter2_ wrote: post #197
entropie wrote: post #194

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Many (including google) devices use hardcoded DNS settings. You also need firewall rules to prvent them from using 8.8.8.8 and friends.

Ah, good point. With those firewall rules in place, do such devices seamlessly fall back to whatever they DNS they learned from DHCP?

What I do is set a reverse NAT rule that reverse proxies 8.8.8.8 to my DNS, so to devices where it's hardcoded, they can't tell the difference.

Re: Vanced has been discontinued

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Post by rvbissell »

chii wrote: post #191
EMIRELADERO wrote: post #189

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Vanced didn't publish the letter, but I'd argue it was a code copyright issue. They applied patches to the original YouTube APK and then distributed it. If they had only distributed the patch diffs themselves and a tool to patch the user-provided YouTube app file, this wouldn't have happened.

The diff patches would be considered derivative, since you cannot make it without knowing the original.

If I sold a transparency with nothing but a twirly mustache on it, sized & positioned so that it perfectly placed the mustache on the original Mona Lisa if placed within the frame, would that be a derivative work?

(Assume for this question that the Mona Lisa was currently protected by U.S. copyright.)

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