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Re: Vanced has been discontinued

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Post by oh_sigh »

metadat wrote: post #123
oh_sigh wrote: post #115

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How does one differentiate between a service being greedy, and a service simply not operating as charity?

They have plenty of resources, no need to be greedy to survive. In fact, I predict it is precisely the greed that will be Big-G's downfall. Rule #1 is: Don't alienate your power users. They are in the exploitation phase of civ. What phase comes next? Pretty sure it's the final phase..

Is that rule #1, as stated by power users? I've never heard of it before.

And having plenty of resources doesn't mean it's wise to squander them, or give them away for free.

Re: Vanced has been discontinued

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Post by dragonwriter »

galangalalgol wrote: post #146
stavros wrote: post #109

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Well, they only deserve to be sued in your ethical system. To me, adding features that I can't even get if I pay isn't unethical, it's commendable.

Having come to adulthood in the 90s we all agreed that intellectual property was an oxymoron. It strikes me as odd people worry about the business model of mega corporations. Is it a sense of fairness? I have that instinct, but it doesn't apply to the likes of faang entities.

> Having come to adulthood in the 90s we all agreed that intellectual property was an oxymoron.

Having come to adulthood in the 90s, we absolutely did not all agree that.

Re: Vanced has been discontinued

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Post by j1elo »

CPAhem wrote: post #62

For those who have the ability to do so, please make an Archive of all the Vanced Versions before the download links are taken down https://mirror.codebucket.de/vanced/

Is there a way to transform all those split packages into a single, simple to install .apk? (with a preselected architecture, and english lang)

If Vanced will keep working as-is for maybe a year or two, that's at least nice, I just would like to keep a copy of the latest version for reinstalling when my tablet is formatted in the next days...

Re: Vanced has been discontinued

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Post by mattgreenrocks »

metadat wrote: post #123
oh_sigh wrote: post #115

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How does one differentiate between a service being greedy, and a service simply not operating as charity?

They have plenty of resources, no need to be greedy to survive. In fact, I predict it is precisely the greed that will be Big-G's downfall. Rule #1 is: Don't alienate your power users. They are in the exploitation phase of civ. What phase comes next? Pretty sure it's the final phase..

I wish that rule was true, but the core users are always the first ones to be eaten. Without fail.

Re: Vanced has been discontinued

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Post by labster »

dragonwriter wrote: post #162
galangalalgol wrote: post #146

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Having come to adulthood in the 90s we all agreed that intellectual property was an oxymoron. It strikes me as odd people worry about the business model of mega corporations. Is it a sense of fairness? I have that instinct, but it doesn't apply to the likes of faang entities.

> Having come to adulthood in the 90s we all agreed that intellectual property was an oxymoron. Having come to adulthood in the 90s, we absolutely did not all agree that.

Are you sure the people who disagree actually came to adulthood, or are they just adult-aged?

Re: Vanced has been discontinued

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Post by Starmina »

galangalalgol wrote: post #116
metadat wrote: post #92

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I always watch YT in firefox with ublock origin on, it seems to work 100%. It seems like pi-hole would work well too, but my router insists on providing a backup dns server when my pihole fails to find something... Need to go get a new one, preferably meshable.

No, google bypass pi-hole since years by using the same dns for the content and the ads.

Re: Vanced has been discontinued

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Post by sreevisakh »

oh_sigh wrote: post #115
metadat wrote: post #92

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How does one differentiate between a service being greedy, and a service simply not operating as charity?

The difference is in the bait and switch tactic they employ. They started by offering the service for free and without ads till there were no good competitors. And then they switched to showing obscene amount of ads. Most users and a good bunch of creators are unhappy about the way they ruin the viewing experience. If YouTube declared their true intentions at the beginning, we wouldn't be yearning for competent alternatives today. Greed is definitely the word.

Re: Vanced has been discontinued

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Post by charcircuit »

indigodaddy wrote: post #75

I pay for YTM, so haven’t ever tried any of these Adblocking things for YT. I think $10/mo is pretty decent for a music service and also the removal of all ads from YT (which includes their fairly decent library of free movies that would be ad-supported without YTM/YTP)

It's not just ad blocking. There is a black theme which makes the background black instead of dark gray which is nice on an OLED phone. It also has the same brightness / volume controls as new pipe where you can just slide your finger on the video to change the volume instead of having to use the volume rocker. YouTube already gets money from me from taking 30% from all my superchat / membership payments.

Re: Vanced has been discontinued

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Post by rvbissell »

quantum_magpie wrote: post #133
metadat wrote: post #92

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>- I feel like I'm forgetting another one or two other ralphy shits they've taken on us so far in 2022. Force people to give up phone number if they want to use gmail over IMAP

I hadn't heard this. I assume in this context, "give up" = disclose?

Re: Vanced has been discontinued

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Post by j1elo »

londons_explore wrote: post #49
sonicggg wrote: post #47

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I'm surprised they did not have a plan for this. I thought Vanced would be based in a more "rebel" country like Russia, which is what Sci-Hub does. A Cease and Desist letter from Google would be meaningless there. Were they trying to pull this off in the USA, or other Western countries?

The number of people willing to put many months work into a project like this, with substantial legal risk, and no possibility of getting paid money, is very small. And of that small set of people, the number who already live in Russia is even lower...

Is it necessary to actually live in Russia, though? If I ever managed a project like Vanced, or any other initiative that might trip a big company such as Google, I would definitely seek hosting on a country like Russia or similar, even though I am not there. That, and trying to run everything anonymously, not with my Github username.

I'm curious, where exactly are the Cease and Desist letters delivered, when they get sent? To whatever contact email appears in the project's website, if any?

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