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Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by 8note »

jfengel wrote: post #230
nradov wrote: post #162

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There have been many wars around the world since Facebook was founded in 2004. What about these circumstances is different than with other armed conflicts? Why should the principles change?

None of those threatened to become nuclear wars. While nuclear-armed nations have been at war, there was never any real suggestion that nuclear weapons would be used. Also, Facebook has become increasingly conscious over the past half-decade or so of the role that it plays in events. It has already changed its policies to be more activist in preventing the use of its platform for advocating violence. That decision fo…

Nuclear powers have been involved in wars since 2004. There's no reason to think that the US would not use nukes if war stopped going in their favour

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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qiskit wrote: post #276
azinman2 wrote: post #273

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The world isn’t black and white. While I don’t really support this specific Meta policy, it would be myoptic to think you could create a set of rules that will last forever. That’s why the US laws didn’t end with the constitution, the constitution itself can be amended, and we have judges who interpret individual laws for individual cases.

> it would be myoptic to think you could create a set of rules that will last forever. It's not a matter of rules lasting forever. It's applying the rules evenly and fairly. All the ukraine war has done is expose the hypocrisy of the west and especially the virtue signaling tech/social media platforms.

Has it? Social media already bent its rules for 4 years to avoid banning the US president

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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davidgay wrote: post #69
gambler wrote: post #40

If you need to change your platform's rules for literally every major event (elections, Covid, this war) there is something profoundly wrong both with your rules and your platform. There is tremendous value in having actual principles. So many people either forgotten it or never understood that to begin with.

I'll grant you elections, but changing rules for century-defining events like the pandemic or the Ukraine war seems very normal to me. In a parallel and far more impactful setting, laws are changed far more often and for far lesser reasons.

Ukraine doesn't seem century defining?

It's following the Iraqi example. Big countries can do what they want to small countries without pushback. The Iraq war is century defining

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by Nahtnah »

haveyoubeen wrote: post #286
ajross wrote: post #258

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And... rightly so? I mean, we know who we want to win here. There's a good side and a bad side. Have we really gone so far down the rabbit hole of "media neutrality" that a unilateral military invasion needs to be protected as... a form of speech, I guess? No, that's wrong. Russia is wrong. Limiting Russia's ability to invade its neighbors isn't being "biased" in a discussion about different perspectives, it's doing…

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Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by 8note »

yellowapple wrote: post #263
future-garten wrote: post #228

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Back then when Soviet Union troops were in Afghanistan, I believe, that western propaganda used the same words: independent spirit, culture, freedom, civilian casualties. However, when USA troops came to Afghanistan... Of course american troops were fighting terrorists. They did no harm to civilians, they came to spread freedom, boost independent spirit, and significantly contributed to Afghan culture.

Just because the US does a bad thing doesn't mean Russia is justified in doing it.

The US, being the hegemon, sets the standard on whats acceptable for interactions between countries

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Post by mc32 »

8note wrote: post #291
jfengel wrote: post #230

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None of those threatened to become nuclear wars. While nuclear-armed nations have been at war, there was never any real suggestion that nuclear weapons would be used. Also, Facebook has become increasingly conscious over the past half-decade or so of the role that it plays in events. It has already changed its policies to be more activist in preventing the use of its platform for advocating violence. That decision fo…

Nuclear powers have been involved in wars since 2004. There's no reason to think that the US would not use nukes if war stopped going in their favour

India and Pakistan have nukes and shoot at each other and occasionally have KIAs though not technically at war, the rhetoric between the different parties does get violent.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by 8note »

ModernMech wrote: post #192
HonestOp001 wrote: post #185

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Genocidal war is not what is occurring. It is a land war where Putin wants to gain access to and control significant resources and a warm body of water in the southeast.

um... there's a huge subtext going on here that you are glossing over. Putin has said that the greatest tragedy of the 20th century was the fall of the Soviet union. He has intoned that he wishes to restore the former glory of the Soviet Union in Russia. He is now currently displaying on state run media, images of tanks flying the soviet flag as they invade Ukraine. He has called into question the very nature of the…

For the Russian Empire, it was, the same as if the American states fell apart into smaller groups.

Doubly so since the USSR manipulated borders to be bad like sykes-picot

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by 8note »

trhway wrote: post #190
HonestOp001 wrote: post #185

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Genocidal war is not what is occurring. It is a land war where Putin wants to gain access to and control significant resources and a warm body of water in the southeast.

It is a genocidal war because Ukrainians are being killed and displaced for refusal to accept a Russian identity. Putin is pretty clear in denying to Ukrainians their identity and statehood. His plans for Ukrainians are like that of Hitler who wanted that land too for Slavic people - displacement and killing of resisting ones, conversion to "Russian" identity for the rest on those lands with limited statehood under c…

Is it a Russian identity, or being a russian vassal that's required?

Denial of sovereignty isn't genocide

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by cyanydeez »

gambler wrote: post #40

If you need to change your platform's rules for literally every major event (elections, Covid, this war) there is something profoundly wrong both with your rules and your platform. There is tremendous value in having actual principles. So many people either forgotten it or never understood that to begin with.

Sounds more like it's a macro cosm of society.

We change our rules for catastrophic events, always.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by 8note »

schleck8 wrote: post #35
danielktdoranie wrote: post #28

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Pretty sure Russia took responsibility for the hospital but my understanding is Russia claims their intelligence was 1.) it was no longer a functioning hospital and 2.) used as a base of operations for the fascist Azov Battalion... not that it didn't happen.

They claimed they did not destroy the hospital at first and then shifted to calling it an Azov base afaik. Just like Lavrov yesterday claimed Russia hasn't actually invaded Ukraine.

Sounds similar to claims about the Ukranian medical research labs.

First claims that there are no weapons labs, then claims that the things attacked aren't weapons labs.

It's possible for details to be lost in translation, and for people to make mistakes

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