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Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Well Russia doesn't penalize for use of VPNs yet

Give it a few days

It's been 5 years or so since the idea was mentioned in the parliament, but I've made an accent on the word "yet" for this reason.

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I find it fascinating that people believe that there was ever an unbiased, objective news media. This literally has never been the case in the total history of the industry. Journalists are paid to contextualize the data they find, not to regurgitate it.

Wasnt there an old ~8 hour long movie about the media making up stories to sell news? Edit: I cannot remember the name, I just remember being in JB HiFi in Australia looking at DVDs and there was an old black and white movie from the 20s or 30s about a guy who has a new empire but they make up stories to sell the paper and none of it was real. I just remember not buying it because the time was something like 6-8 hour…

It's an age old trope - just look at the Daily Bugle.

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The next Modern Warfare game is going to be very different than it's FPS predecessors.

I’m honestly hyped for a new golden age of movies and games where Russians are the bad guys. I feel like Russian bad guys always had more character and really made you want to see the hero outmaneuver them. Arabs just didn’t do it for me the last two decades.

“The old-fashioned racism didn’t cut it for me anymore. Excited to be racist towards a new group of people”

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I wish I had enough karma to downvote you. You are either extremely uninformed ( to the point where stupidity is actually a better explanation than ignorance) or, more likely, maliciously spreading misinformation. Let me remove any kind of doubt. Ukraine is being invaded by a dictator deserving of all condemnation. Putin has started an illegal war and this is bad. No part of his actions are justifiable. What is not h…

I agree with you completely. All this talk of genocide and nazism in Ukraine is devaluing the meaning of those words. Yes there is considerable suffering and it is a terrible conflict but, and maybe people don't use words literally anymore or don't care about history, to include either of those words is grossly inaccurate verging on absolute ignorance or troll.

>All this talk of genocide and nazism in Ukraine is devaluing the meaning of those words.

I think what is extremely devaluing and disrespectful of the past anti-nazi fighters and genocide victims is to allow Nazism and genocide on our watch.

> is grossly inaccurate verging on absolute ignorance or troll.

whole country of Ukraine are ignorant trolls? In Ukraine they normally call it a Russian fascism - "russism" ['rashizm'] for short and thus "russist occupants/invaders". It is called the same in Baltic countries too. And if you don't see how the proclaimed by Putin "Great Russia" ideology is nazism when you just don't know what nazism is.

>people don't use words literally anymore or don't care about history

looks like you have no idea what you're talking about. My Ukrainian grandparents were under German occupation. From the other, Russian, side of the family - significant number of the members of extended family fought against German Nazi in WWII with some KIA/highly decorated/etc.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Tech companies are making themselves active participants in conflicts involving powerful countries. Sooner or later, one of those countries is going to reach out and strike back in the physical world. It's just a matter of time. When it was little nudges in color revolutions in relatively weak countries, there was not much to worry about. Now? They're playing with fire and the tech folks doesn't seem they have a clue…

I mean, what is the country going to do? At best they can launch a cyber attack (or a lot of them). Any physical action would immediately involve the host country - bombing the Facebook HQ for example could be considered a terrorist act or even a war declaration.

Russia lunched an attack with chemical weapons on U.K. soil and nothing happened.

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Not sure I got your point but Ok. Anyway, assuming that you're either with Russia or with "us" proves my point actually.

At certain times, not taking a side is actually taking a side. Elie Weisel: "And then I explain to him how naïve we were, that the world did know and remained silent. And that is why I swore never to be silent whenever wherever human beings endure suffering and humiliation. We must take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. Sometimes we must in…

Not to remain silent, interfering, etc, does not equate taking one of the two sides.

Those are not staying silent who do what little they can to prevent orchestrated escalation of this conflict.

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Not sure I got your point but Ok. Anyway, assuming that you're either with Russia or with "us" proves my point actually.

At certain times, not taking a side is actually taking a side. Elie Weisel: "And then I explain to him how naïve we were, that the world did know and remained silent. And that is why I swore never to be silent whenever wherever human beings endure suffering and humiliation. We must take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. Sometimes we must in…

This what I'm talking about. You assume this is binary situation you're either with "us" (=US and the western bloc) or them (=Russia and it's allies). But for me and many people who developed immunity to the propaganda from most sources it's not. Simple! Anyway I will understand if an ukrainian diagreed with me or even hated me and will respect their position, but I won't if it was from another person who used to not care for their (democratically elected!) goverment wars in the "middle east" or South America or Africa unless it affected their life style.

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Genocidal war is not what is occurring. It is a land war where Putin wants to gain access to and control significant resources and a warm body of water in the southeast.

I would agree that this isn't genocide, but the russian forces are playing extremely loose with civilian casualties. It's clear that Putin is trying to destroy Ukrainian culture/independent spirit which could be considered a form of genocide I guess.

Back then when Soviet Union troops were in Afghanistan, I believe, that western propaganda used the same words: independent spirit, culture, freedom, civilian casualties.

However, when USA troops came to Afghanistan... Of course american troops were fighting terrorists. They did no harm to civilians, they came to spread freedom, boost independent spirit, and significantly contributed to Afghan culture.

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I agree with you completely. All this talk of genocide and nazism in Ukraine is devaluing the meaning of those words. Yes there is considerable suffering and it is a terrible conflict but, and maybe people don't use words literally anymore or don't care about history, to include either of those words is grossly inaccurate verging on absolute ignorance or troll.

>All this talk of genocide and nazism in Ukraine is devaluing the meaning of those words. I think what is extremely devaluing and disrespectful of the past anti-nazi fighters and genocide victims is to allow Nazism and genocide on our watch. > is grossly inaccurate verging on absolute ignorance or troll. whole country of Ukraine are ignorant trolls? In Ukraine they normally call it a Russian fascism - "russism" ['ras…

Nazism: Nazism is a form of fascism, with disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system. It incorporates fervent antisemitism, anti-communism, scientific racism, and the use of eugenics into its creed.

—- Where is the antisemitism, anti-communism, or eugenics - i don't see any of that which are CORE to nazism?

Im sorry this situation is terrible in Ukraine but it is not genocide or nazism.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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post #92

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It doesn't surprise me that a novel medium would change its rules as unexpected events arise. I've got plenty of qualms about the way Facebook has handled it, but of course there was something wrong with the rules -- they had never tried them out under these circumstances. All three of the things you cite are using/abusing social media in ways that have never been done before. Principles are great, but if you can't c…

There have been many wars around the world since Facebook was founded in 2004. What about these circumstances is different than with other armed conflicts? Why should the principles change?

None of those threatened to become nuclear wars. While nuclear-armed nations have been at war, there was never any real suggestion that nuclear weapons would be used.

Also, Facebook has become increasingly conscious over the past half-decade or so of the role that it plays in events. It has already changed its policies to be more activist in preventing the use of its platform for advocating violence. That decision forces more downstream decisions, which will be different than in the past.

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