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Re: Apple AirTags draining battery of devices close by

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I dislike how companies are not only pushing proprietary mesh networks, but also making them automatically enabled for their users and opt-out. It feels like the companies are piggybacking on my internet connection, hardware and electricity for free to literally power their closed network. I don't get paid a penny for it, but their shareholders sure do. Open mesh networks could be really cool, but instead of open net…

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Re: Apple AirTags draining battery of devices close by

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An annoyance that is driving me away from the Apple ecosystem is the lack of choice when it comes to these new features - they are forced onto you with no way to disable them and sometimes radically modify the behavior of the device you purchased and may make it unsuitable for the original purpose you bought it for. I'm still using an iPhone and plan to get the new SE (and only because of Touch ID is back - Face ID w…

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Let's set aside that regulation like that will come with a bunch of other stipulations which will capture the market for the incumbents... There are unintuitive outcomes which could arise like: smaller companies might need to develop a product with access to the web to keep costs manageable, but larger companies, using their capital, are able to establish proprietary wireless connectivity (which is not the internet)…

Big companies could also simply include their own networking equipment and data plan. My understanding of the fake/non-mmWave 5G is it dramatically decreases cost for network operators. If that is true (please correct me if I am wrong), what stops tv manufacturers from including a tiny modem with its own gsm Internet connection that can do things like see if there is an update available or fetch weather information (…

True, but I think the hypothetical from the GP was that internet connectivity must not be a requirement and I think 5G might be too close whereas something like radio clocks aren't. Perhaps a proprietary protocol and equipment would be different enough to allow companies to passively spy on their users. To stop TV manufacturers from including a tiny modem (proprietary or otherwise), language about what anti-consumer/anti-privacy behavior the network connection enables and why it shouldn't be a requirement for use, despite whether or not the network connection is fully funded by the manufacturer.

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The day that I install any amazon sidewalk enabled device in my home is the day I hang up my hat and resign in shame, as a network engineer who's been building internet infrastructure since 1999. It's so gross and wrong. amazon doesn't get a free ride on my residential internet service or arbitrary use of radio spectrum in my home. note: I also have no smart doorbells, cloud connected security cameras, internet enabl…

I think the cable companies really ushered it in, with their dual SSID setup. I refused to use their gear for a host of reasons, this being one of them.

To be fair, the "public" SSID on cable company wireless routers is using a separate DOCSIS service flow, so it's not actually using your Internet connection like Amazon Sidewalk would be.

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I have a similar feeling and I am quite pessimistic about the future in this regard. Currently, I have been able to avoid it pretty well, but appliances break and need replacing, and I suspect there will be a day where I cannot find a washing machine that isn't "smart", much less a car!

>... and I suspect there will be a day where I cannot find a washing machine that isn't "smart"... What's worse is you'll have to have a monthly subscription to their service or it won't work. I bet there are people just salivating at the thought of all that MRR. Our future is one in which we don't own a damn thing. We're all renters.

This is one of the topics of Cory Doctorow's sci-fi book "Unauthorized Bread."

Re: Apple AirTags draining battery of devices close by

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You can turn cellular data off in iOS. If you have 100MB a month it would probably be smart to turn it off until you are ready to check email or whatever and there is no Wi-Fi.

100MB is enough to send hundreds of free internet messages such as iMessage or more traditional chat apps which avoids using limited text messages on the plan. That’s a legitimate reason to keep it enabled. If you don’t use text/call data and can get away with mostly messaging on wifi and then having that the cell connectivity for wife check ins or emergencies at work, this plan costs like $5 a month or something. Co…

I disagree with your concept of consent. You clearly accepted Apple's ToS when you configured your phone. I'm sure buried somewhere in there is a line about this. You also consented by simply buying their product. When it comes to Apple or Google's ecosystem you aren't ordering off the menu, you're eating at the buffet.

The solution seems very clear and simple to me. If you want finer grain control of your device, don't buy an Apple or Android device. There are plenty of alternatives.

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This is what I'm worried about. Sooner or later we'll need regulation to prevent devices from requiring network connection. I don't think we'll ever get it though.

Let's set aside that regulation like that will come with a bunch of other stipulations which will capture the market for the incumbents... There are unintuitive outcomes which could arise like: smaller companies might need to develop a product with access to the web to keep costs manageable, but larger companies, using their capital, are able to establish proprietary wireless connectivity (which is not the internet)…

> Peer to peer connectivity over public networks is a great asset for smaller companies with disruptive ideas, and this could destroy that.

I have no issues with a product having an option for internet connectivity, or even requiring it if it is a critical component of it's function.

Internet connectivity is not a critical component of my 's function however.

Re: Apple AirTags draining battery of devices close by

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None of those are so cheap, small, with such a good battery life and does not require GPS. Please don't be so ignorant. It's been a topic several times over.

Is the problem just cost in your mind? Do you think there should be a price limit?

Did I wrote that the problem is JUST cost?

Seriously, my comment consists of two sentences. Can't be that hard.

Re: Apple AirTags draining battery of devices close by

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100MB is enough to send hundreds of free internet messages such as iMessage or more traditional chat apps which avoids using limited text messages on the plan. That’s a legitimate reason to keep it enabled. If you don’t use text/call data and can get away with mostly messaging on wifi and then having that the cell connectivity for wife check ins or emergencies at work, this plan costs like $5 a month or something. Co…

I disagree with your concept of consent. You clearly accepted Apple's ToS when you configured your phone. I'm sure buried somewhere in there is a line about this. You also consented by simply buying their product. When it comes to Apple or Google's ecosystem you aren't ordering off the menu, you're eating at the buffet. The solution seems very clear and simple to me. If you want finer grain control of your device, do…

"There are plenty of alternatives"

You forgot the /s

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