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Re: Apple AirTags draining battery of devices close by

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I dislike how companies are not only pushing proprietary mesh networks, but also making them automatically enabled for their users and opt-out. It feels like the companies are piggybacking on my internet connection, hardware and electricity for free to literally power their closed network. I don't get paid a penny for it, but their shareholders sure do. Open mesh networks could be really cool, but instead of open net…

I am pro open-source, decentralization, etc, all the things. Still, the value of a network of iDevices with "default on airtag tracking" is just so huge, and if they convince me (and they did) that they handle my data properly (or rather they don't handle it at all), I'm fine with it. Issues like this battery drain are of course unacceptable but I trust that that will be fixed by Apple.

Re: Apple AirTags draining battery of devices close by

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An annoyance that is driving me away from the Apple ecosystem is the lack of choice when it comes to these new features - they are forced onto you with no way to disable them and sometimes radically modify the behavior of the device you purchased and may make it unsuitable for the original purpose you bought it for. I'm still using an iPhone and plan to get the new SE (and only because of Touch ID is back - Face ID w…

> I can be confident that once I do get a setup that works it'll likely stay working for years without breaking overnight I feel the opposite. I switched to Pop!_OS a year ago, and had a fairly standard setup. A recent update broke my dock and my launcher and made the whole machine unusable for days. I eventually fixed it, but the dock kept crashing and the launcher was acting wonky, so I've switched back to Mac. I d…

Pop!_OS is presently based on gnome a broken mish mash of c and JavaScript and extensions which rather than being written to an actual extension API merely monkey patches the JavaScript.

When the underlying JavaScript to be patched created by gnome changes extensions can silently break.

Outside of gnome land this really isn't at all normal. One could for example have used i3wm without issue for the last 12 years, awesomewm for 14, compiz for 16, KDE for 25 years and if you really hate change there is a fork of KDE 3 so you could have pretended its still 2002 for the last 20 years if you like while still actually making use of current versions of everything from the kernel to your web browser.

Re: Apple AirTags draining battery of devices close by

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This was a concern I had since day 0. I have been asking about things like this and been talked down to constantly as if I don't know how bluetooth works... My other concern was if these are hijacking your data plan. Maybe it's not that significant amount if you have a huge plan but like Ting for example gives you 100MB of data usage each month on their basic plan. That's MEGAbytes. I checked my system clock app for…

You can turn cellular data off in iOS. If you have 100MB a month it would probably be smart to turn it off until you are ready to check email or whatever and there is no Wi-Fi.

100MB is enough to send hundreds of free internet messages such as iMessage or more traditional chat apps which avoids using limited text messages on the plan. That’s a legitimate reason to keep it enabled.

If you don’t use text/call data and can get away with mostly messaging on wifi and then having that the cell connectivity for wife check ins or emergencies at work, this plan costs like $5 a month or something. Compared to a jump to $20 or higher at the next tier. For a lot of people, that’s significant.

Work arounds shouldn’t be a real solution anyway. People can’t restart their computer to solve basic IT problems. Imagine if they had to change their phone settings through multiple layers of menus.

Aside from all or nothing cell data toggle, I’m not even 100% sure if disabling Find My’s data connection stops this situation. It could go through an unknown system service for all I know. Anyhow, I classify this as an essential security app that would be unfairly unreasonable to have to opt out of for this specific use case.

Your paid phone and service just shouldn’t be freely used without your consent to benefit other people while costing you money.

Maybe it’s a nice idea, but that’s not how anything works in the society we currently have.

Edit: also another thought on this topic as a whole… if you’re the only person who goes through a specific area that someone set up with AirTags, wouldn’t that make you personally identifiable when the AirTag owner gets alerted?

You could set these up in a vault for example. Imagine the WiFi signal gets through when it’s open. When the one vault manager comes to complete the alert circuit, you would have the times he’s there or even as a boss you could see if he’s skipping his duty.

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> but also your internet bandwidth Usually, not. You get the full bandwidth of your DSL line when you need it, the hotspot either only gets what remains (aka is in idle) or has its own PPPoE session that lives outside of your contractual bandwidth limit (obviously that one only works when the line bandwidth is greater than the bandwidth you're paying for).

Does anyone know how much use these get? When I'm travelling I see them all over the place, but I haven't personally ever used them (or met anyone who did) and never had any idea how to get credentials for them

In the case of Optimum/Altice (Long Island, NY), you use the credentials for your Web login account (which carries its own risk, as that’s also your billing portal).

I don’t feel that it works especially well. They make it difficult to log into different hot spots. They have a “remember this device” thing, that doesn’t work very well.

Re: Apple AirTags draining battery of devices close by

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There's no reason to believe these are a bad idea beyond lowering entry cost to GPS trackers. It seems like there's a bug going on here - otherwise everyone would have the same issue. This is something that can be fixed and isn't really related to these existing overall.

> There's no reason to believe these are a bad idea beyond lowering entry cost to GPS trackers. That's not something to be glossed over. Lowering the price of abusable technology makes that abuse a lot more prevalent. Take for instance guns, there is a strong inverse relationship between the price of a gun and the likelihood that it will be used for murder. The guns most often used for crimes are the cheapest handgun…

I think if you include the cost of an iphone then it's probably more expensive then the alternatives (unless you connect it to your own iphone/account in which case Apple will happily give your details to the police if the Airtag is found). I think the bigger problem is that if you're being tracked and you don't have some iDevice plus someone has tampered with the airtag speaker you're not going to be notified of its presence unless you install and use the airtag scanner app, which is a poor solution in my opinion. I'd like to see them open up the mesh protocol at least enough so that Android or other devices could see tags near them/be notified if they're being followed without having to opt-in

Re: Apple AirTags draining battery of devices close by

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What is the threshold for how informed someone must be in order to be allowed to give consent or make their own decisions here? What responsibility would you place on Apple here versus on the consumers of its devices, specifically? More than likely if you ask for more than what exists what will actually happen is that another blurb will show up in the long terms of service that most people don't read and people aren'…

It would be nice if Apple recorded some visible metric on how much this is “costing” the user. Eg how much energy or how much bandwidth. Then we could make an informed decision.

For me personally the usage of my resources was apparently so low as to go unnoticed.

I had to be told by the Internet that it was even happening to an extent that could be noticed.

It would be interesting to have stats though.

Re: Apple AirTags draining battery of devices close by

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I dislike how companies are not only pushing proprietary mesh networks, but also making them automatically enabled for their users and opt-out. It feels like the companies are piggybacking on my internet connection, hardware and electricity for free to literally power their closed network. I don't get paid a penny for it, but their shareholders sure do. Open mesh networks could be really cool, but instead of open net…

The day that I install any amazon sidewalk enabled device in my home is the day I hang up my hat and resign in shame, as a network engineer who's been building internet infrastructure since 1999. It's so gross and wrong. amazon doesn't get a free ride on my residential internet service or arbitrary use of radio spectrum in my home. note: I also have no smart doorbells, cloud connected security cameras, internet enabl…

> note: I also have no smart doorbells, cloud connected security cameras, internet enabled lightbulbs, etc. They're nothing but riddled with bugs, incompatibilities, security holes, disgusting configuration options, obsolescence in less than a few years, etc.

Yeah how dare they call them smart when they're such shitty products. Totally inferior quality.

EDIT: Recently I saw a lightbulb that cost $20, you know why? Better light. That's it.

You know what I'd love to buy these days? Jammers for inside the home, just to make sure there is no incidental communication.

Re: Apple AirTags draining battery of devices close by

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I'm still waiting for Apple to mail me the check for my participation in the network. /s Seriously, in what world is it reasonable that tech companies think they can come along and be like "Oh hey, you know that THOUSAND dollar phone we sold you? Oh, well we're going to stick some of our own software on it so we can use it as infrastructure for a totally different product that we sell."

you can disable it.

Re: Apple AirTags draining battery of devices close by

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> but also your internet bandwidth Usually, not. You get the full bandwidth of your DSL line when you need it, the hotspot either only gets what remains (aka is in idle) or has its own PPPoE session that lives outside of your contractual bandwidth limit (obviously that one only works when the line bandwidth is greater than the bandwidth you're paying for).

Does anyone know how much use these get? When I'm travelling I see them all over the place, but I haven't personally ever used them (or met anyone who did) and never had any idea how to get credentials for them

I use the Xfinity one all the time (and have customer-owned equipment in my end, so I don’t even provide an Xfinity hotspot at home).

On that one, you login with your Xfinity account.

Re: Apple AirTags draining battery of devices close by

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> I actually quite like that this particular feature is opt out because the goal is to make the mesh network actually useful and not just a white paper theoretical application with zero adoption. Requiring labor of any kind will exclude much of the population from the start, which, for this particular utility, is not tenable. And people nearby you? Apple is draining your battery for their benefit, using your cellular…

Yes, everyone who has the feature turned on is pooling their resources together to create a common utility that everyone with the feature benefits from. I fail to see how this is an issue. This is not like Apple exfiltrating data from your phone back to them that can incriminate you like the CSAM debacle that's still unresolved, this is a tool that has a quite easy to understand benefit for those that are using it. I…

> Yes, everyone who has the feature turned on is pooling their resources together to create a common utility that everyone with the feature benefits from. I fail to see how this is an issue.

They didn't opt in to it. That's the issue.

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