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If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by lofatdairy »

dzikimarian wrote: post #73
NoGravitas wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Russians have a responsibility to protest the regime now, carrying the personal risk despite perhaps having little to no personal responsibility. Else they have the blood of Ukrainians on their hands. Back in 2003, Americans had a responsibility to protest the Bush regime. And hundreds of thousands of us did, but it didn't do a damn bit of good. We still have the blood of over one million Iraqis on our hands. Russi…

Well, both Putin and Bush started their terms roughly at the same time. I see only one of them ruling today. America is by no means perfect, but Russia is entirely different thing.

This is crediting the citizens for something achieved by fundamentally different systems of governance and people in power. Yeah the Iraq war eventually was seen as a mistake, if you believe the polls it still took 2-3 years to convince people of that fact, it still took far many more years to pull out. At some point we have to recognize the fact that a citizen _not_ protesting something isn't a sign of support so much as its a recognition of the fact that even millions on the street doesn't necessarily achieve anything.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by antisthenes »

xdennis wrote: post #94
wbsss4412 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because unsolicited phone calls from people in the west is all that’s needed to stop the war.

What are you doing better?

The person you replied to is against a feel-good lose-lose solution. That's pretty good.

What are YOU doing better?

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by colejohnson66 »

syngrog66 wrote: post #107
WinterMount223 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you okay with getting individuals possibly arrested in the name of a purported common good? You are no better than the FSB itself then.

Their country is killing thousands of innocent men, women, children, grandparents, babies etc. The West needs to prioritize on worrying about whats best for Ukraine, and saving their lives. Have more sympathy for them. Once Russia lays down arms and skidaddles back across their border perhaps we start feeling sympathy for the invaders then. What Russians need to do now is pick sides. Take a stand against Putin, or, l…

People have been protesting; So far, 13,000 have been arrested.[0] Remember: Russia's judicial system is not the same as the US'. It's easy to armchair criticize when your life isn’t on the line.

Is it North Korea's citizens' fault that they have a dictator? After all, they do have a "democracy" where Kim Jong-un is "elected": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_North_Korea

[0]: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-police-arrest-1...

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by gruez »

dmix wrote: post #69
tpoacher wrote: post #30

What a silly plan. Consider the reverse situation. You are a US citizen, and your phone randomly rings. On the other line, there is a guy speaking English with a heavy russian accent: "Hello. I call from Russia. This website I find ask me to call and inform you of real happenings in Ukraine. Your media full of lies. Trust me. Look. I have pen." Yeah I can totally see Americans taking up arms against their government…

If they don't pick up then you can just dial their number repeatedly until they do. Simple.

So we're for harassing random Russian civilians now?

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by tada131 »

azangru wrote: post #117
xdennis wrote: post #91

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Must Russians don't even know there's a war. Even a bad call could trigger some to look up what's happening.

> Must Russians don't even know there's a war. How can you know this?

It's a big lie

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by comrh »

NoGravitas wrote: post #63
alkonaut wrote: post #56

Why aren't russians telling eachother? At least a fraction of russians read and trust trustworthy (international) news sources, but if their peers won't believe them, why would they believe me if I called them? Russia isn't North Korea. Yes there has been a tightening lately and all easily accessible media has been propaganda for a long time. But that doesn't mean any Russian can't - with some effort - consume a wide…

> Russians have a responsibility to protest the regime now, carrying the personal risk despite perhaps having little to no personal responsibility. Else they have the blood of Ukrainians on their hands. Back in 2003, Americans had a responsibility to protest the Bush regime. And hundreds of thousands of us did, but it didn't do a damn bit of good. We still have the blood of over one million Iraqis on our hands. Russi…

What country doesn't have a history filled with blood?

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by jbay808 »

syngrog66 wrote: post #107
WinterMount223 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you okay with getting individuals possibly arrested in the name of a purported common good? You are no better than the FSB itself then.

Their country is killing thousands of innocent men, women, children, grandparents, babies etc. The West needs to prioritize on worrying about whats best for Ukraine, and saving their lives. Have more sympathy for them. Once Russia lays down arms and skidaddles back across their border perhaps we start feeling sympathy for the invaders then. What Russians need to do now is pick sides. Take a stand against Putin, or, l…

Did you call on Americans to leave the US during the war in Iraq?

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by tada131 »

junon wrote: post #103
nirui wrote: post #74

Phone call is sort term, high effort, and maybe even annoying to those pro-Russians. Just a thought: I been viewing the evidences of Russian war crimes (photograph, video) that people posted on Twitter since the very beginning of the invasion. A lot's of them are real and fact-checked. Maybe it could be a good idea to setup some sort of online and physical memorial to show the timelines of how each single innocent pe…

Russia has completely blocked the outside world. So no, that wouldn't work.

Blocked when?

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by drno123 »

When US invaded Iraq (because of false claims about weapons of mass destruction), people did not call random numbers in America. And ordinary Americans did not do anything to stop their government from invading another country on false premises.
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