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The History of Sanctions

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Re: The History of Sanctions

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Post by type0 »

sanxiyn wrote: post #29
Adrox wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The goal on North Korea is not to invade South Korea or attack Japan. (And also to disable their ability to use nukes against USA). I would say goals were accomplished. We really don't know the state of nuclear missiles there and I could bet they are not in any very good shape...

That's ridiculous. North Korea is not crazy, there is no conceivable reason why North Korea would use nukes against USA unless regime is attacked. If that was the goal, there was no reason for sanctions whatsoever. Truly, "nukes against USA" is much more ridiculous than Russia's excuse of invading Ukraine, that it is threatened by NATO expansion.

> ridiculous than Russia's excuse of invading Ukraine, that it is threatened by NATO expansion.

Russia is threatened by NATO expansion as much as I am being threatened right now of being attacked by a rabid bear

Re: The History of Sanctions

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Post by type0 »

lb1lf wrote: post #7
KarlKemp wrote: post #3

So… sanctions shouldn’t be used because they are too powerful? And this is argued almost exclusively with pre-1940 history? The specifics of what results of sanctions the author finds to be excessive are limited to mentioning deaths from famine. Does anyone believe the EU and US are capable of and willing to degrade the Russian economy to the point of mass famine? I can discern exactly one testable hypothesis from th…

-What you are witnessing is not sanctions. Per Kremlin new-speak, it is 'special economic operations'.

Putin said it's economic act of war

Re: The History of Sanctions

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Post by sanxiyn »

type0 wrote: post #30
bigger_inside wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The world" is not. The US and their allies are. The rest of the world is sitting this out at best. Go check some Indian, African, and South American coverage. It's very eye-opening.

They don't cover it that well, doesn't mean people across the World stopped despising Russians for what they are doing right now. edit: actually even Western media aren't doing good job, reporters are scared and shit themselves afraid of Russian fire strikes and don't go into areas where most of the fighting happens, some Czech media and other small nations do but that's it.

One thing Indian media does better than Western media is not to rebroadcast Zelensky indiscriminately. Let's face it: it's a propaganda. They should extract informational content, not quote verbatim. Just as you would do so for Russian media.

Re: The History of Sanctions

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Post by wirelessalcohol »

KarlKemp wrote: post #3

So… sanctions shouldn’t be used because they are too powerful? And this is argued almost exclusively with pre-1940 history? The specifics of what results of sanctions the author finds to be excessive are limited to mentioning deaths from famine. Does anyone believe the EU and US are capable of and willing to degrade the Russian economy to the point of mass famine? I can discern exactly one testable hypothesis from th…

> Does anyone believe the EU and US are capable of and willing to degrade the Russian economy to the point of mass famine?

Famine WILL happen..... Russia and Ukraine produce much of the worlds grain.(And Russian gas is massively used to manufacture fertilizer)

Russia and Ukraine together account for around 30% of internationally traded wheat.

Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-60644376

If this war is not stopped immediately, the world will experience a drop of global supply between 10 per cent to 50 per cent of major agrarian products including wheat, barley, corn, rapeseed, and sunflower oil

Source: https://www.ft.com/content/02095093-329b-4b66-9f80-13d073500...

Re: The History of Sanctions

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Post by reactspa »

ogogmad wrote: post #2

How can Russia replace all its lost equipment (tanks, supply trucks, helicopters, planes) when they've lost more than half of their economy in a week, and counting? Their GDP was on par with Spain (a country of far smaller size and natural wealth), but is fast approaching that of Portugal. I mean, look at the flight of skilled workers out of their country, and the ruble halving in value in the space of a month.

> ruble halving in value in the space of a month

Could you please clarify if this has a meaning other than the mathematical meaning?

The ruble was 0.013 USD on Feb 7, and is 0.010 on Mar 8. Per my math, it has lost 23% of its value, not 50%.

Re: The History of Sanctions

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Post by treeman79 »

sanxiyn wrote: post #33
type0 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't cover it that well, doesn't mean people across the World stopped despising Russians for what they are doing right now. edit: actually even Western media aren't doing good job, reporters are scared and shit themselves afraid of Russian fire strikes and don't go into areas where most of the fighting happens, some Czech media and other small nations do but that's it.

One thing Indian media does better than Western media is not to rebroadcast Zelensky indiscriminately. Let's face it: it's a propaganda. They should extract informational content, not quote verbatim. Just as you would do so for Russian media.

Your not wrong. I wish news would try and put things In proper context.

That said.

He’s a symbol of freedom and hope against oppression that many people need right now.

Let the people have their hero for now.

Re: The History of Sanctions

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Post by virgilp »

dspillett wrote: post #16
oblio wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tanks these days aren't raw steel, rubber and a few other things anymore. They're advanced alloys, a ton of electronics, etc. Russia can't make all of that at the same level as the rest of the world combined. Similar story for almost every advanced military product. And for civilian products. The Russian population is in for a world of hurt.

> Russia can't make all of that at the same level as the rest of the world combined. Right now they don't have to, they just need to replace things at the level as Ukraine with just a little help from others. That is much more manageable than “the rest of the world combined”. > The Russian population is in for a world of hurt. Which Putin will blame on the rest of the world. While many in Russia are well aware that s…

> they haven't sent over the majority of their equipment,

Really? I thought they sent in like 75%. Here's their current reinforcements (see the Z letters): https://v.redd.it/qadkws73hwl81/DASH_720.mp4

Re: The History of Sanctions

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Post by k__ »

Adrox wrote: post #24

I don't understand how "specialists" keep talking about sanctions "failing"/being bad overall or other comparisons with Germany before WW II and other similar situations that happened 100! years a go. And basically forget the last 4 countries the US sanctioned: Venezuela, Iran, Cuba, North Korea. These countries are basically failed states and cease to exist international and have basically zero power over their neig…

I think so too.

The world is much more interconnected today, so sanctions have more power.

Re: The History of Sanctions

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Post by golergka »

treeman79 wrote: post #14
oblio wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tanks these days aren't raw steel, rubber and a few other things anymore. They're advanced alloys, a ton of electronics, etc. Russia can't make all of that at the same level as the rest of the world combined. Similar story for almost every advanced military product. And for civilian products. The Russian population is in for a world of hurt.

Depends on how China responds. The world is in a proxy war with Russia via Ukraine. China might decide to have a proxy war with the west via Russia. Or maybe not. Since The world is coming together hopefully discouraged shenanigans. This is kind of similar to how Vietnam was a proxy war between the US and Russia.

China may also decide that the far east russian territories, which are already under heavy Chinese influence, may look cute under Chinese flag.

Re: The History of Sanctions

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Post by AlgorithmicTime »

oblio wrote: post #9
simonh wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, a Ruble buys you fewer international goods than a dollar, but has much more buying power in Russia. The tank factories still exist, and the workers there still have jobs and can still make tanks. As long as they still get food and raw materials more tanks will come off the line, and Russia nowadays has enough food and plenty of raw materials. The Ruble will buy less on international markets, but it still buys s…

Tanks these days aren't raw steel, rubber and a few other things anymore. They're advanced alloys, a ton of electronics, etc. Russia can't make all of that at the same level as the rest of the world combined. Similar story for almost every advanced military product. And for civilian products. The Russian population is in for a world of hurt.

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