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Re: Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission

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Post by sofixa »

alkonaut wrote: post #148

The problem with the "if I can't conquer it, I'll just level it" offense, is that there is very little defense. Everyone is talking about how difficult it is to invade cities. But it's trivial to destroy cities if you have no regard for civilian casualties. The problem now is that the world can't meaningfully intervene because we didn't say beforehand that we would. We should have set up the no-fly zone with western…

> Everyone is talking about how difficult it is to invade cities. But it's trivial to destroy cities if you have no regard for civilian casualties.

Even a destroyed city can fight on - Stalingrad is a great example of that.

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Post by 331c8c71 »

sofixa wrote: post #190
331c8c71 wrote: post #123

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> https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/evacuation-rou... Mined by whom? > However looking at your other activity, I would have to present article from Russia Today Mainstream western media now is heavily biased for the simple fact that it most of the time even don't report what the Russians are saying on the same matter. I'm checking al jazeera which at least reports both sides .

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Re: Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission

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Post by vkou »

MichaelRazum wrote: post #177
vkou wrote: post #170

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Some arabs in Israel are permitted to vote, just like how some African Americans living in the north had the right to vote pre-CRA/VRA. Pre-CRA/VRA America was also an apartheid state. Most do not have that right, despite being born there, and having no other home country. That some of them are enfranchised is a fig leaf over an apartheid state.

I have to call out this. This is clearly wrong. Every Israeli citizen is allowed to vote. That is a fact. I don't know where you get your facts.

> Every Israeli citizen is allowed to vote.

The rhetorical sleight-of-hand that you are obscuring is that most Arabs living in Israel are not, and will never be allowed to become Israeli citizens. This is despite both being born, and living on a territory that is very clearly under the military control of the Knesset.

It's either an indeterminate military occupation, or its apartheid. I don't care what you want to call it, but you have to pick one or the other, because in 2022, Palestine simply does not exist as a free, sovereign nation. It's either a civil territory of Israel, or occupied by Israel.

Re: Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission

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Post by Bancakes »

zpeti wrote: post #117
oblio wrote: post #105

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Not if it kills you and not if it's infamy. Especially since he has kids, he'll be leaving them an extra bad legacy, even in his own country.

Oh come on, there are plenty of people in history who are willing to sacrifice their family for fame or fortune. You might not think it’s rational but it’s fairly common. Saying it’s irrational is explaining away pretty common behaviour with “they aren’t like me so they’re idiots”. Except it’s more your own empathy that’s lacking for understanding another perspective.

You know what else is common, logical fallacies. You don't have to be one to know one, to know Putin's actions have brought poverty, misery, and death. Writing your name in history books 'just because' is not a well thought out motive, neither was the assault. Its irrational because it lacks rationality.

Re: Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission

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Post by MichaelRazum »

sofixa wrote: post #184
MichaelRazum wrote: post #155

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So you deny that Hamas a terrorist organization send rockets at civilians? They got their territory. Why send rockets? The reason it is rational for them. They need to be in power and get the funding through destruction. By the way some more example where the hate comes from: https://www.jns.org/eu-unpublished-report-finds-palestinian-...

That's a bullshit whataboutism-adjacent answer and you should know that. Hamas use terrorist tactics and are a terrorist organisation. That doesn't in any way change the apartheid-like regime Palestine is under, and the unfairness of all the terrible treatment Palestinians suffer at the hands of Israel. And Hamas' tactics are understandable ( but unsupportable) - what are they to do to fight against Israeli atrocitie…

apartheid-like regime Palestine, ok now I understand..

Re: Putin may be planning to pummel Kyiv into submission

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Post by glogla »

MrRiddle wrote: post #128
cf141q5325 wrote: post #116

Well yes. Artillery bombardment is THE Russian military doctrine. Any uncertainty on the headline would mean assuming Russia had developed some unusual qualms on the subject. And why would they? It seems to me that among the moral outrage people kind of lost touch with reality. There is some basic facts, take it here from the German public broadcast >According to its president, Russia is seeking the "denazification"…

Exactly, on /r/europe I suggested exactly this would happen and how Ukrainian government should sign the deal while they still have some leverage left. I got banned from it for life because of it.

Putin's stated goal is total destruction of Ukraine, including the people and the culture. His Soviet predecessors have a few genocides in their name.

Imagine yourself saying the same thing to Jews and WW2.

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Post by dzikimarian »

331c8c71 wrote: post #123
dzikimarian wrote: post #72

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/evacuation-rou... However looking at your other activity, I would have to present article from Russia Today. First and foremost Russians shouldn't be there. How evil they were exactly, can be assessed later, when they go back to their side of the border.

> https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/evacuation-rou... Mined by whom? > However looking at your other activity, I would have to present article from Russia Today Mainstream western media now is heavily biased for the simple fact that it most of the time even don't report what the Russians are saying on the same matter. I'm checking al jazeera which at least reports both sides .

> Mined by whom?

Sorry, but even suggesting, that Ukrainians mined evacuation route for their own people is plainly disgusting. I and multiple of my friends, were on the border and helped fleeing people. They told me first hand how they escaped. There was ZERO critique of their officials or military.

I'm checking both sides - what they're saying is usually completely out of touch with reality and blunt, very poorly prepared propaganda.

And finally - Russians are invading independent country. There's nothing they can say to change that fact.

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Post by sofixa »

alephnan wrote: post #135
timeon wrote: post #125

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There are people in Eastern Europe who call [1] the arrogance statement like yours. [1]: https://www-capital-bg.translate.goog/politika_i_ikonomika/v...

Could you give context on whether this is an objective source, reflects the sentiment of the Eastern European people, or propaganda?

It's one of the most serious Bulgarian publications ( Financial Times level, somewhat focused on business etc. ( as the name, Capital, implies)), and it reflects the sentiment of many ( probably most) Eastern European people.

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Post by oblio »

MichaelRazum wrote: post #197
sofixa wrote: post #186

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Israel doesn't want East Jerusalem and isn't creating illegal settlements there and in the West Bank, while simultaneously expelling Palestinians ?

"expelling Palestinians" please provide facts. You may mean "Sheikh Jarrah", which got sued by the owners, since they don't pay the rent. Just building settlements. So providing homes for people does't justify rockets and violence in my opinion. Settlements can be removed later if it is unacceptable for a Palestinian state to have some jew's

Building "settlements" on land that is not part of your country has a name. It's called "occupation".

And the Palestinian government like > sovereign state on this planet, is allowed to decide who builds what where.

Again, salami tactics. Brilliant strategy, but awful from a humanitarian point of view. How to strangle another country, kill it by a thousand paper cuts.

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