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Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Awfully presumptuous of you… Some ideas just exist outside of our ability to test hypotheses about them. If there’s an idea that could never be disproven by observation, then it exists outside of the domain of science, definitionally. Have faith or don’t, I don’t care.

You're rambling nonsense and for the past few comments. Why do you think I wrote science doesn't prove God or free will? Do you believe I didn't already classify you with persons that believe unprovable things that doesn't mix with science. In academia the worst persons to work with have been believers of God or free will. It's honestly too bad that we don't have real choice otherwise I would've requested to not be b…

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There's a decently populous anti-vax vegan community too.

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Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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In Carl Sagan's "The Demon Haunted World" he talks about how Europe regressed and became incredibly religious. A lot of secular medicine was lost, and the Queen, the richest person in the last, was pregnant 18 times, 15 dies in childbirth and 3 did not live to be adults. Science has solved these problems not CEOs, or wealth and those are the things we worship in the US

Carl Sagan was also incredibly wrong almost every time he talked about history. In many ways he was vanguard of the kind of hubris we commonly see today on social media, self assured of his own knowledge. Just to give you an example. He repeated common misconception about Library of Alexandria being something unique and it's burning being the break between high civilization and barbarism. But it was nothing of the so…

Dang, well Cosmos was a large scale production so we have several people to blame for the inaccuracies. I understand 'The Dark Ages' is considered pejorative and onver-simplified. But there was an overabundance of religous magick being practiced across Europe as the time and I think he makes a lot of good points in the book that I have experienced in my own life. People going towards crystals, or homeopathic remedies for example. And to me that's not so far from these accounts: 'In England, for example, the King’s Touch was believed to heal scrofula, a form of tuberculosis. Prayers to Christ, the Virgin, and saints were always considered the most efficacious form of help. Saint Margaret was invoked for help in childbirth (47.101.65); Saint Fiacre (25.120.227; 17.190.353) for relief from hemorrhoids."

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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This is a really dangerous comment. Thankfully polio is an extremely treatable disease -What exactly do you think is the treatment, beyond prophylaxis? That the rate of vaccine caused infection is now higher than the rate of wild infection is no reason to stop vaccinating. It's really sad but this is why we have indemnity processes. Eradication depends on continual vaccination, well beyond any kind of epidemic. Even…

There’s nothing dangerous about my comment and in fact it represents the status quo for fighting polio worldwide: 1. Vaccines are the best defense against poliovirus. 2. The vaccines sometimes but rarely give people polio (more often than the wild virus in fact). 3. Polio is a very treatable disease, so contracting polio either from the vaccine or the live virus represents low risk. I’m literally just stating the wor…

https://www.health.gov.au/health-topics/polio-poliomyelitis

Polio has no treatment, but good physiotherapy may help with recovery. The small number of people who get paralysis need to go to hospital and may need intensive care. Some people will need long-term treatment for limb paralysis.

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Imagine the impact on the GDP of the US if obesity was largely eliminated and diet and exercise incentives were included as part of health plans (eg free membership to fitness clubs and access to certified personal trainers with a 20$ copay). That’s a big reason why it hasn’t happened; instead the focus is on doctors and hospitals treating acute issues instead of preventing them.

Personal trainers don't cost much more than the equivalent of a $20 copay a session - when I had one it was $250/month (that's equal to $58/week) and I think I got three sessions a week. That's slightly less than $20 a session.

Most personal trainers that I’ve hired cost a minimum $100 per hour. You are getting quite a great deal. That rate is equivalent to the cost of a group session in my area, which does not include individual attention.

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Or they judge someone on Youtube as a nutbar and call to censor with equally little knowledge. Ignorance cuts both ways.

You don't need to censor the nutbars, and it is ok to call them that. The former is shutting down discourse, the latter is pointing out its flaws, and is a correct response. When I was in high school, pre-Internet, we has an entire class about modern media. We discussed advertising, profit motives, watched TV commercials and dissected them, it was all about creating awareness in youth, about something they grew up wi…

> You don't need to censor the nutbars, and it is ok to call them that.

I fully agree. Both sides can call each other nutbars and both sides should not be censored. One person’s nutbar is another person’s geniusbar.

Profit motives and understanding the finances of the media platforms is useful, but it does not address the search for truth and fact beyond the important detail of monetary motivations of the people behind the opinions. Truth and fact takes hard work. It requires access to all sides of the argument/topic, which censorship denies to people, creating a one-sided view that many times does not represent the most accurate view and in some cases has been manipulated (not always for monetary returns) by the dominant forces interested in the matter.

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To put that in perspective, to date, Covid-19 has killed 957k Americans. This works out to be 0.3 percent if everyone had it (which they didn't).

This number is lower than that due to the "with vs from" distinction. The data is really messy though so we can't be sure how much lower.

A recent italian Istituto Superiore di Sanità study showed that a great majority of people dead with covid died from it or it have been a serious concurrent cause.

https://amp24.ilsole24ore.com/pagina/AEbOPLHB

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Weren't there vaccine derived polio cases from the OPV in Pakistan?

> If you're given the OPV vaccine, you eventually will have sterilizing immunity, and won't spread it, once immunity develops a small time after vaccination. But the OPV vaccine itself very rarely causes polio outbreaks .

Apparently some old P2 vaccine was kept around after it was supposed to be disposed of nationwide and inadvertently administered.

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Fair. He should not have used that language. Hey, why use a new throwaway account? Don’t be a chickenshit. Stand behind your claim. Especially since it’s truthful.

> Don’t be a chickenshit Kind of rich after asking someone for proof instead of spending 1 minute to google to verify the claim.

Help me improve my Google skills: kindly provide the search term that will bring up evidence of all these voices you have claimed.
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