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Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by Borrible »

candiodari wrote: post #152
Borrible wrote: post #127

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Actually, the 'Spanish' flu would be a better example. As influenza in general. Young children are a high risk group. But as Nietzsche said, "Out of life’s school of war—what doesn’t kill me, makes me stronger." https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/why-did-1918-flu-kill... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza

"what doesn’t kill me, makes me stronger." Do enough medicine and you'll see just how wrong this is. Every medical issue leaves damage on your body. Mostly very small. Even fractures, the example often given, yes, a broken bone grows back stronger ... and less flexible, more brittle and heavier, more calcified, with less blood going through it a fact it will not cease to remind you off once you turn 55 or so.

Not to be misunderstood, that Nietzsche quote was a sarcastic comment on some strange lines of thought one can find in the anti-vaccination fringes. Another one is 'God wills it' and another one is, it's 'natural' or 'pure'.

As an extreme, you can find that strange mix of sentimental almost pseudo-religious nature enthusiasm, magical thinking and barbarism in National Socialism. They were obsessed with the healthy Aryan body, albeit its rulers themselves for the most part not exactly the most outstanding specimens. Metaphors of health, disease, and parasitism in the racial corpus permeate the whole ideology like metastasized cancer.

Of course, the Reich just needed healthy soldiers, ruthlessly against the weak amongst themselves and the enemy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler_and_vegetarianism

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0740971090314974...

https://www.cairn-int.info/article-E_VIN_113_0029--the-nazis...

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/standing-up-for-the...

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Now on to my 50 squats per hour.

Mens sana in corpore sano

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by waffleiron »

master-lincoln wrote: post #169
waffleiron wrote: post #134

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Thats the same for any infant diet, doesn’t mean it’s impossible. Second, breastfeeding is vegan too (if the mother consents ;) ).

How is milk from a breast of a human vegan? Is there a definition of veganism that says an animal product that was given with consent is considered vegan?

There are a few different definitions of veganism, the word itself isn't very old and has often been used to describe not just the a plant-based diet, or abstaining from all animal products, but the philosophy behind it.

This is one of the reasons why currently "plant-based diet" is gaining traction, to take the emphasis off the word vegan because it's been connected to the animal rights and ethics of the vegan movement. [1]

[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20150611163242/http://www.tampab...

> " I taught cooking classes for the national non-profit, Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, and during that time, the phrase "plant-based diet" came to be used as a euphemism for vegan eating, or "the 'v' word." It was developed to take the emphasis off the word vegan, because some associated it with being too extreme a position, sometimes based exclusively in animal rights versus a health rationale."

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by waffleiron »

candiodari wrote: post #164
waffleiron wrote: post #134

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Thats the same for any infant diet, doesn’t mean it’s impossible. Second, breastfeeding is vegan too (if the mother consents ;) ).

Meat/fish and byproducts are generally considered a "quick fix" for a great many dietary issues. Giving a baby something with meat in it once a week when they start feeding, once a month after 2 years (or more often) will fix most diets. Any real vegan diet will need to consider a great many factors. Even vegan diets that aren't going to kill you in the long term are still going to cause problems. For example, a vega…

> Giving a baby something with meat in it once a week when they start feeding, once a month after 2 years (or more often) will fix most diets.

That's a pretty exceptional claim, that's not something I believe without a source.

> For example, a vegan diet with >60% fruit (or fruit and grains), will cause amino acid shortages. Too little fruit, of course, causes Vitamin C shortages.

And a meat based diet that doesn't include fruit, or very little has issues too.

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by t0bia_s »

onion2k wrote: post #117
dalbasal wrote: post #97

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There's a decently populous anti-vax vegan community too.

Many vaccines aren't vegan-friendly (they're often grown in eggs), and pretty much all of them go through animal testing stages during clinic trials. It's not at all surprising that vegans would be anti-vax.

By this logic, should we consider antivaxers as people-friendly, because fetal tissues are used in vaccine development?

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by ciphol »

zapataband1 wrote: post #71
Swizec wrote: post #60

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> I'm pretty sure we're better educated than any time in human history. The problem is we've had it so good for so long that we don't remember what it was like. Why take a bunch of preventative stuff for something that never happens? Feels like a waste of time. In reality, those preventative steps are why it doesn't.

In Carl Sagan's "The Demon Haunted World" he talks about how Europe regressed and became incredibly religious. A lot of secular medicine was lost, and the Queen, the richest person in the last, was pregnant 18 times, 15 dies in childbirth and 3 did not live to be adults. Science has solved these problems not CEOs, or wealth and those are the things we worship in the US

I assume by "religious" you mean Christian. Before Europe became Christian, it wasn't secular, it followed a wide variety of other religions just as devoutly.

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by ciphol »

wolverine876 wrote: post #101
lmilcin wrote: post #59

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> I'm pretty sure we're better educated than any time in human history. In the past public opinion would be created by a minority of affluent people. Most people were basically peasants (even middle class with nice jobs) and had no chance to affect public opinion. Today public opinion is created by the majority (or manipulated by some shadowy figures with unknown agenda -- I can't make up my mind about it). So you co…

> In the past public opinion would be created by a minority of affluent people. Most people were basically peasants (even middle class with nice jobs) and had no chance to affect public opinion. Today public opinion is created by the majority (or manipulated by some shadowy figures with unknown agenda -- I can't make up my mind about it). What is this based on? And why would the "minority of affluent people" were any…

I think by "the past" they mean "before social media".

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by ciphol »

zxcvbn4038 wrote: post #95

There are some very interesting comments on the jpost page suggesting a correlation between polio severity and DDT usage. Any legitimacy?

Sounds like a conspiracy theory.

I think polio actually became more of an issue in the early 20th century because hygiene improved, which meant that people tended to get polio during childhood, rather than in infancy like before. And polio is more dangerous to children than infants.

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by t0bia_s »

ende wrote: post #103
martin1975 wrote: post #96

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Being anti vaccination is fine, it's a human being's right to choose, I only ask they let me know ahead of time if possible of their position.

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This is what you want to believe. If you inform yourself more, which is now possible more then ever in history, then you find out, that this is just huge business with fear. I recommend book from Gerhard Buchwald - "Vaccination - A Business Based on Fear" (1994) if your are open to new research.

Remember... Scared and uninformed people are easy to be manipulated.

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by t0bia_s »

pawelmurias wrote: post #116
ComradePhil wrote: post #108

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It is extremely concerning that this is most likely a mainstream position. Mandatory medical procedure for the common good is a slipperly slope… and it has been made into a mainstream position with pharma marketing and PR working with politicians and “news” agencies for their short-term profits. This could end up in someone coming to power and making high doses of copper cyanide mandatory to everyone who is pro-manda…

Superstition and idiocy being more important than the common good is a slippery slope... what if someone decides that putting out fires is against the will of their God?

Thinking that my opinion is best for others has many names... Arrogance, hubris, pride...

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by Arnt »

alignItems wrote: post #160
Arnt wrote: post #156

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Wow. How did they succeed so well? Do you have a source?

They succeed in part by insulating their children from Western culture (no TV, no Internet, little interaction with outsiders), and by giving them very little in terms of secular education, so that getting a career is not really an option for most.

Israel permits parents to block basic education of their children?
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