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Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by asdfwsgrtrtt44 »

moistly wrote: post #61
ekianjo wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Blame the systems that amplify extreme voices. you mean like the voices that pretend that vaccines are 100% effective and have zero side effects?

Please, show us evidence of these voices. Particularly if they are influential. Let’s see the evidence for your claim.

President of the US influential enough for you?

"There’s a simple, basic proposition: If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in an ICU unit, and you’re not going to die."

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/20...

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by Fomite »

tootie wrote: post #18
Fomite wrote: post #8

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This is also somewhat complicated because, as the article notes, sewage monitoring in Israel picks up polio virus with some degree of frequency, despite there being no recorded cases - there's definitely shedding going on, and it's sort of an odd case due to a number of demographic and geopolitical factors. This is not necessarily something that can be attributed to the vaccine. Will be curious to see what the result…

Does polio not have animal reservoirs?

No. It and measles are currently our two best targets for genuine eradication.

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by sitkack »

somenameforme wrote: post #79
ckemere wrote: post #9

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This bears some correction. As the article reports, the strain that caused infection was traced from Malawi/Pakistan, where there is still endemic polio because of long-lasting vaccine hesitancy.

Some interesting history on Pakistan there that has do with unforeseen consequences and why the ends never really do justify the means. The CIA gained some intel that Bin Laden was residing in Pakistan, and in the precise vicinity, but they wanted to be certain. They way they did this was by recruiting a local doctor [1] and splashing around a ton of money to start a fake vaccine campaign. It's unclear if they bother…

I don't have the emotional resevoir to find the hard numbers, but it is estimated that hundreds of doctors and aid workers have been killed because of this specific CIA action. And it turns it, from the article below, it was to possibly confirm that the compound had Bin Laden, not to actually find him.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2011/07/the-cia-s-fake-vacc...

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by dustintrex »

The article does not mention this, but it's quite probably the unvaccinated child in question is from the fast-expanding Hasidic community in Jerusalem, many of whom are strongly anti-vax. This has led to measles outbreaks in the past in NYC as well, and the community was also hit especially hard by COVID.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/23/opinion/my-fellow-hasidic...

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by martin1975 »

dustintrex wrote: post #94

The article does not mention this, but it's quite probably the unvaccinated child in question is from the fast-expanding Hasidic community in Jerusalem, many of whom are strongly anti-vax. This has led to measles outbreaks in the past in NYC as well, and the community was also hit especially hard by COVID. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/23/opinion/my-fellow-hasidic...

Being anti vaccination is fine, it's a human being's right to choose, I only ask they let me know ahead of time if possible of their position.

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by dalbasal »

dustintrex wrote: post #94

The article does not mention this, but it's quite probably the unvaccinated child in question is from the fast-expanding Hasidic community in Jerusalem, many of whom are strongly anti-vax. This has led to measles outbreaks in the past in NYC as well, and the community was also hit especially hard by COVID. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/23/opinion/my-fellow-hasidic...

There's a decently populous anti-vax vegan community too.

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by fleurjs »

ch4s3 wrote: post #90
fleurjs wrote: post #77

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Awfully presumptuous of you… Some ideas just exist outside of our ability to test hypotheses about them. If there’s an idea that could never be disproven by observation, then it exists outside of the domain of science, definitionally. Have faith or don’t, I don’t care.

You're rambling nonsense and for the past few comments. Why do you think I wrote science doesn't prove God or free will? Do you believe I didn't already classify you with persons that believe unprovable things that doesn't mix with science. In academia the worst persons to work with have been believers of God or free will. It's honestly too bad that we don't have real choice otherwise I would've requested to not be born into the world with persons that believe in such nonsense.

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by mikojan »

martin1975 wrote: post #96
dustintrex wrote: post #94

The article does not mention this, but it's quite probably the unvaccinated child in question is from the fast-expanding Hasidic community in Jerusalem, many of whom are strongly anti-vax. This has led to measles outbreaks in the past in NYC as well, and the community was also hit especially hard by COVID. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/23/opinion/my-fellow-hasidic...

Being anti vaccination is fine, it's a human being's right to choose, I only ask they let me know ahead of time if possible of their position.

Endangering other people is not fine even if it's in your every right to do so.

Re: Four-year-old Israeli child tests positive for polio, first case since 1989

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Post by dehrmann »

ars wrote: post #53
imgabe wrote: post #37

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This probably has nothing to do with Facebook. Orthodox Jews and some Muslims sometimes reject vaccines on religious grounds.

No they don't. This is oft repeated, and not true. They reject vaccination for the same reasons as other anti-vaxxers, there's no religious component, just a human one.

I wonder if it would be worthwhile to clean up (for lack of a better term) vaccine production's use of pork (and other?) animal products, aborted fetal stem cell lines, etc. to reduce some of the religious objections. Or would it not matter, and people would find something else to support their belief?
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