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Post by lowkey »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #606
lowkey wrote: post #516

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I understand correctly, you are fine with broad economic sanctions on everyday Russians, most of whom are already poor especially after the collapse of the Ruble - and who frankly don’t have as much say over their authoritarian governments as American or German citizens who enjoy living in liberal democracies. At the same time you excuse rich countries such as the US or Germany who actively choose to continue to b…

>[...] broad economic sanctions on everyday Russians, most of whom are already poor especially after the collapse of the Ruble [...] Remember, the sanctions against average Russians will absolutely result in shortages of food, medicine and other essential supplies. You are completely wrong here. The sanctions are against Russia to cripple their war machine, not the Russian people. And Russia, with its immense natural…

The net effect is the same. Average Russian citizens are being treated as pawns and they will face the most brutal effects of these sanctions.

Oligarchs and authoritarians in Russia have options and resources to weather the storm. Many everyday Russians live close to hand to mouth and they will suffer. I don’t accept the decision to dehumanize an entire nation’s citizens for the acts of their authoritarian elite.

The Russian kings and knights and rooks and bishops will be fine. It is the pawns or plebs who will suffer the most.

They are innocent in my eyes, having only committed the crime of being born within the wrong arbitrary political boundaries.

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Post by Etherlord87 »

grujicd wrote: post #535
Etherlord87 wrote: post #491

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> These people also have no idea, except abstract one, how it is to live in authoritarian country, when access to non-government news is hard or impossible, and even saying your opinion can be dangerous. Many Polish people still remember communism. I was born in communism. And we still support sanctions. Tell us what do you propose as an alternative to the sanctions.

Frankly, I don't know. I'm just sharing my experience and opinion that sanctions don't help. It's quite possible that there's nothing at all that can be done right now, apart from humanitarian help. No matter how much we wanted the war to stop. At least if we're only looking at options that don't lead to worse outcomes. The time to prevent this was probably years ago. But I'm far from geopolitics expert, I can just s…

If you propose no alternative, you propose doing nothing. In this scenario russia takes everything outside of NATO and Chinese influence. And by "takes" I mean hundreds of millions of civilians killed, with a faster rate than currently, because if we show russia we're too soft to react, there's really nothing demotivating putin, or whoever comes after him, to do anything he wants.

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Post by vertis »

ip26 wrote: post #402
atlantas wrote: post #374

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> The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. This is precisely what leads to atrocities like Japanese internment camps. We are repeating dark history in real time and it's being actively cheered on by a bloodthirsty mob who have no regard for innocent civilians and kids.

There is actually a difference here; the parent comment is a Russian refugee. The Japanese internment camps housed mostly Japanese Americans who already lived in the United States before the war and were predominantly US citizens. Refugees are human & need help, but it isn't quite the same.

It's the same in some ways. Already there has been an uptick in hate towards Russians outside Russia. Also Belarusians[0].

Even if they're anti-Putin and anti-war, if they've been trying for years to change things they can't escape being Russian/Belorusian.

[0]: https://twitter.com/AlinaLeonovaSF/status/149945792856210227...

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Post by bufferoverflow »

therusskiy wrote: post #6

I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…

You supported Putin and his regime by paying taxes, buying russian products, which means even more taxes. You supported it silently by not going to the streets and protesting.

(I was born in Russia, but never worked there. We left the year Putin came to power.)

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Post by jazzyjackson »

tsol wrote: post #456
Buttons840 wrote: post #420

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> The other option, if we are really trying to do our best to avoid nuclear war, is to capitulate to Russia. That is not our choice to make (assuming neither of us is Ukrainian). Our choice is only to cut off support and let Ukraine fight truly alone.

Yes that's my point, that is capitulation to Russia for us. To not get involved.

Amounts to appeasement and assumes they would stop at Ukraine, risks Russia becoming more powerful after annexation of Ukraines economic wealth.

FWIW I don’t think your post should be flagged dead, it is a contrarian opinion but doesn’t break any rules.

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Post by tryauuum »

throwoutway wrote: post #599
enaaem wrote: post #532

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You can read the book: Blueprint for Revolution: How to Use Rice Pudding, Lego Men, and Other Nonviolent Techniques to Galvanize Communities, Overthrow Dictators, or Simply Change the World It proposes many interesting strategies and ideas on how to protest in dictatorships. Be subtle, use humor and focus your message on the most common people. Don't call for democracy, free speech or anything like that. You will be…

Perhaps rather than protesting, silently walking around holding signs that use of sarcasm? (To circumvent the anti-speech laws) “Putin is king! Glory to USSR!” “Synonyms for conflict may contain the words: war, special operation” “Is the special operation over yet? My mother wants to see my brother” “What’s next Vladimir?” Subtle civil disobedience that the cops will overlook until it’s too late (I’m making a lot of…

people were arrested even for protesting with empty sheets of paper

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Post by diordiderot »

daenz wrote: post #2

This may very well be true, but I'm having trouble believing anything, from anyone, about the conflict. There is so much propaganda around the subject, that unless you are personally connected to an official source, I believe you can't know with any reasonable certainty. The primary source for this story appears to be public Google Trends data.

The ole, "the science is unsettled argument" a classic. Repurposed for propaganda very fresh, Tasteful even

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Post by drran »

akrymski wrote: post #293
b112 wrote: post #183

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When was the last time the US invaded, with an intent to never, ever leave? When was the last time the US invaded, and slaughtered civilians, on purpose, just to spread terror. Not by accident, or a rogue element, but purposefully. When was the last time the US jailed, not by a mistake in justice but on purpose, all who dared speak out about her actions? And killed them when possible? Many reading the above will say…

I'm 100% against the war, but the American hypocrisy here is next level. This isn't an ethnic genocide. Had Putin wanted to kill civilians you wouldn't have 100s of deaths but millions like in Iraq and Afghanistan. Just like the US he is looking to overturn the government. The reality is that some people in Ukraine (Donbas and large portion of the East) do support Russia. Truth is never black and white.

This is ethnic genocide. Just look at Ukrainians in Crimea, Donbas, or RF: they are extinct. Ukrainian language and literature are forbidden in RF. Crimes against ethnic minorities are not prosecuted. IMHO, Ukraine should just nuke few millions of Russians to protect millions of Ukrainians. Pooking is crazy.

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Post by belter »

dennis_moore wrote: post #477
grujicd wrote: post #357

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AFAIK Air Serbia is still flying to Russia, and even doubled number of flights few days ago because of demand. I don’t know what’s the situation with visas, how long you can stay, how it is to open bank account, etc but historically Serbia is friendly towards Russia. Government does condemn Russia for this war, but I don’t think we’ll be implementing any kind of sanctions. Elections are in a month, and noone wants to…

With the EU having banned Russia from its airspace, I wonder what route these flights take.

"Air Serbia Doubles Moscow Frequencies To Meet Demand"

https://simpleflying.com/air-serbia-doubles-moscow-frequenci...

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Post by whatshisface »

throwoutway wrote: post #599
enaaem wrote: post #532

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can read the book: Blueprint for Revolution: How to Use Rice Pudding, Lego Men, and Other Nonviolent Techniques to Galvanize Communities, Overthrow Dictators, or Simply Change the World It proposes many interesting strategies and ideas on how to protest in dictatorships. Be subtle, use humor and focus your message on the most common people. Don't call for democracy, free speech or anything like that. You will be…

Perhaps rather than protesting, silently walking around holding signs that use of sarcasm? (To circumvent the anti-speech laws) “Putin is king! Glory to USSR!” “Synonyms for conflict may contain the words: war, special operation” “Is the special operation over yet? My mother wants to see my brother” “What’s next Vladimir?” Subtle civil disobedience that the cops will overlook until it’s too late (I’m making a lot of…

None of those quotes are very subtle.
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