Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends • Hacker News Board

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Post by Etherlord87 » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 7:08 PM UTC

grujicd wrote: post #314

coldtea wrote: post #261

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> maybe these people have grown in better functioning democracies (unlike Russia or my own country) so they act as if the people were well represented by their governments; I think they're mostly grown in countries doing the imposing of sanctions. If they had to suffer the consequences of sanctions imposed on them, for what their own countries did, they'd have a much different understanding.

These people also have no idea, except abstract one, how it is to live in authoritarian country, when access to non-government news is hard or impossible, and even saying your opinion can be dangerous. As someone who was on the receiving end of sanctions in ex-yu, despite being antiwar and going to protests, I can’t ever support wide sanctions which affect all people. Years we were under sanctions were the worst year…

> These people also have no idea, except abstract one, how it is to live in authoritarian country, when access to non-government news is hard or impossible, and even saying your opinion can be dangerous.

Many Polish people still remember communism. I was born in communism. And we still support sanctions.

Tell us what do you propose as an alternative to the sanctions.

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by 5e92cb50239222b » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 7:09 PM UTC

dennis_moore wrote: post #477

grujicd wrote: post #357

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AFAIK Air Serbia is still flying to Russia, and even doubled number of flights few days ago because of demand. I don’t know what’s the situation with visas, how long you can stay, how it is to open bank account, etc but historically Serbia is friendly towards Russia. Government does condemn Russia for this war, but I don’t think we’ll be implementing any kind of sanctions. Elections are in a month, and noone wants to…

With the EU having banned Russia from its airspace, I wonder what route these flights take.

My friend is leaving Moscow for Serbia soon. They use Serbian airplanes which don't have any restrictions put on them.

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Post by pydry » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 7:10 PM UTC

ericmay wrote: post #242

pydry wrote: post #215

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Negotiate a truce with Putin that involved decoupling NATO from Ukraine and devolve centralized power to Ukrainian states.

So only some countries have the right to decide their international affairs? Might as well make the same argument for Germany or France. Putin is mad so therefore decouple these countries from NATO. Ya know The Us feels very threatened by Belarus. They should have to withdraw from their alliance from Russia and decouple. Otherwise we’ll invade and neutralize it ourselves.

>So only some countries have the right to decide their international affairs?

Should Russia schedule a delivery of nuclear weapons to Cuba for this week or next?

>Ya know The Us feels very threatened by Belarus. They should have to withdraw from their alliance from Russia and decouple

Is that because of its close proximity to Maine?

I guess it's closer than Iraq...

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Post by justinpowers » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 7:11 PM UTC

artificial wrote: post #490

justinpowers wrote: post #414

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> it's being actively cheered on by a bloodthirsty mob who have no regard for innocent civilians and kids. What are you referring to here specifically? Genuinely curious. I haven’t encountered much anti-Russian sentiment (yet), I’ve only noticed anger towards Putin, his cronies, and their soldiers. As far as I can tell, most understand that the Russian people didn’t choose this despite how little they did (or could d…

It’s very similar to the Iraq war, the rhetoric “if you’re not with us you’re against us.” “if you’re not against Putin you’re pro Putin”. World wide negative sentiment against Russian people is amplified. Similar to 1914 with Germans with many anglicizing their names. It’s not like Putin respects votes. [0] https://www.newsweek.com/russian-conductor-fired-two-orchest... [1] https://www.npr.org/2022/03/03/1084205316/…

Banning cats? Banning vodka? Firing Putin supporters?

This is bloodthirst? This is disregard for innocent children?

I must have the wrong dictionary.

[edit:as far as being simply “anti-Russian”, perhaps this qualifies. I can see how it might be concerning and even foreboding. And we should keep an eye on it. But i think it’s a stretch to call it anti-Russian. At this point, it’s really just anti-war and equivalent to communal shaming and shunning. I doubt many poor Russians will be hurt by the cat/vodka ban. And they certainly wont care that a likely-wealthy Putin supporter must now look for another job.]

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Post by cjbgkagh » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 7:12 PM UTC

maybelsyrup wrote: post #356

traceroute66 wrote: post #270

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> a lot of people seem ok with punishing Russian individuals for the actions of the government. Its easy to say that but you have to look at the bigger picture. It's easy to say "just punish the government / the oligarchs", but as most Westerners know, these people have become extraordinarily adept at hiding their money and distributing their assets. So it is very difficult indeed to target them per-se, hence you nee…

> Nobody wants World War 3. Small point but this isn't exactly true, especially among US policymakers and media people. All you need to do here is read the chorus of people in official / corporate media going "nuclear war would be bad, but [...]". You can also rewind to the enormous shit-fit Washington types threw last summer when Biden pulled out of Afghanistan, or go even further back to the Iraq war. Washington is…

I’m keeping an eye out for future headlines “No-fly zones will mean WWIII and why that’s a good thing”

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Post by pelasaco » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 7:12 PM UTC

hutzlibu wrote: post #334

pelasaco wrote: post #246

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but do we all agree that the World history would be different if the ordinary german people would oppose the concentration camps and genocide? The ordinary russian people are IMO in the same position right now. They. Have. To stop. Putin!

So you would have been in favor of punishing german jews like Einstein, for getting out and not staying to change the system from within?

If he was supportive to Adolf H. until the point that it wasn't comfortable for him anymore? Absolutely, but that was never the case. I have/had a lot of friends in the IT industry from Russia. You absolutely couldn't engage in any political discussion without them exercise their whataboutism.

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Post by el-salvador » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 7:13 PM UTC

ismaildonmez wrote: post #301

mantas wrote: post #283

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The problem is how to separate Russians fleeing Putin from Russians who just look for financial comfort and still support Putin. One of stark examples is Turks in Germany still voting for Erdogan.

Turks in Germany will vote for SPD in German elections is a bigger paradox.

It seems similar to what happens with Salvadorans in the U.S., especially newer arrivals.

This is anecdotal, buy from my friends living in the U.S, even those who do not have papers, prefer Trump/Republican than Democrat party.

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Post by pelasaco » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 7:13 PM UTC

lodovic wrote: post #347

pelasaco wrote: post #228

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> * Handicap Russia's ability to wage war. This includes eliminating their ability to buy supplies and destroying their morale. But if we still fear the atomic war, he can still threatens Europe with that.

Nuclear weapons are very delicate and expensive to maintain, especially if you have thousands of them. After having seen the awful state of their tanks and army trucks, I'm less worried about their nuclear abilities.

me too. Said that, they definitely can reach Germany.

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Post by BbzzbB » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 7:13 PM UTC

daenz wrote: post #36

berberous wrote: post #14

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I generally agree with you for most stories and facts about the war, but this one is just obvious. The ruble has declined and the Russian stock market has been closed all week. Russia has been sanctioned. Russia is sending people to fight in a war. There are rumors (whether true or not) that Russia is planning to close borders, impose martial law, etc. Those are all verifiable facts. In the face of the above, of cour…

If it was clearly obvious, then why wouldn't the Economist use these other sources directly, instead of leaning so heavily on Google Trends data? It's a flimsy way to present truth.

Do you expect the Kremlin to tell The Economist "We will indeed declare martial law in X days" and nothing short of that is believable? Or for the media (don't recall which it was) that announced the rumor based on a source to reveal that source's identity?

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Post by helge9210 » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 7:14 PM UTC

veganhouseDJ wrote: post #403

risyachka wrote: post #337

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Have you seen any major rebellions in Russia in the last decade? No. Here is a kicker - there were few coups even in North Korea. So russians are fine with regime. And even though actions speak louder than words, most people even didn't SPEAK against it until few days ago. So unless you openly spoke against putin and regime for years, you were part of the problem. Also, in Ukraine people go against armed forces with…

All easy to say as you post this from the comfort of your home.

In 2014 I flew from Israel back to Ukraine to participate in Euromaidan.

So instead of fleeing all the Russians of the world should flock back instead.