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Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by OrlandoHakim » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 6:49 PM UTC

SeanLuke wrote: post #328

th-2022-03 wrote: post #220

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I'm being totally serious about this: as a first generation American, 9/11 caused me to rethink what this country was doing abroad. Obviously the loss of life was terrible. People in my town died in the Twin Towers. But I grew up mostly with American propoganda. I didn't know that the US had a long history of overthrowing governments in the Middle East and South America, and generally meddling in their affairs. Not t…

> But I grew up mostly with American propoganda. I didn't know that the US had a long history of overthrowing governments in the Middle East and South America, and generally meddling in their affairs. I'm sorry, but this is whataboutism in its full glory. The US has a free press, and its unfortunate history of overthrowing or supporting governments was and is well documented by the press and by historians in the Unit…

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Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by Mirioron » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 6:50 PM UTC

bsedlm wrote: post #11

therusskiy wrote: post #6

I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…

a lot of people seem ok with punishing Russian individuals for the actions of the government. maybe these people have grown in better functioning democracies (unlike Russia or my own country) so they act as if the people were well represented by their governments; unlike reality for most countries with a serious corruption problem.

Putin isn't the one pressing the button to shoot a missile that hits a kindergarten. He's not the one that's threatening you with a rifle. It's an average Russian guy that does it.

It has been an average Russian guy that does it for centuries.

Virtually every country bordering Russia has suffered from this in the past few hundred years. I don't mean to say that it's right, but it should be easily understandable why any country that had portions of their population deported to Siberia and sent to gulag campus would have tensions that were reignited with this conflict.

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by simion314 » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 6:50 PM UTC

tsol wrote: post #376

traceroute66 wrote: post #270

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> a lot of people seem ok with punishing Russian individuals for the actions of the government. Its easy to say that but you have to look at the bigger picture. It's easy to say "just punish the government / the oligarchs", but as most Westerners know, these people have become extraordinarily adept at hiding their money and distributing their assets. So it is very difficult indeed to target them per-se, hence you nee…

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>but I can see why they want Ukraine, a country that is in their borders, to stay in their orbit.

Ukraine is not a Russian region that wants to separate, it is a independent democratic country and Putin pretends is part of Russia.

I can also see why Putin wants Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia(he said he wants to restore URSS) but why should we say "bad luck, let him have them and let's buy more gas"

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by OrlandoHakim » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 6:50 PM UTC

SeanLuke wrote: post #328

th-2022-03 wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm being totally serious about this: as a first generation American, 9/11 caused me to rethink what this country was doing abroad. Obviously the loss of life was terrible. People in my town died in the Twin Towers. But I grew up mostly with American propoganda. I didn't know that the US had a long history of overthrowing governments in the Middle East and South America, and generally meddling in their affairs. Not t…

> But I grew up mostly with American propoganda. I didn't know that the US had a long history of overthrowing governments in the Middle East and South America, and generally meddling in their affairs. I'm sorry, but this is whataboutism in its full glory. The US has a free press, and its unfortunate history of overthrowing or supporting governments was and is well documented by the press and by historians in the Unit…

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Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 6:51 PM UTC

ignoramous wrote: post #370

SeanLuke wrote: post #328

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> But I grew up mostly with American propoganda. I didn't know that the US had a long history of overthrowing governments in the Middle East and South America, and generally meddling in their affairs. I'm sorry, but this is whataboutism in its full glory. The US has a free press, and its unfortunate history of overthrowing or supporting governments was and is well documented by the press and by historians in the Unit…

Look at my shit, even if as smelly, it is better documented than yours. > I'm sorry, but this is whataboutism in its full glory. Dismissing every argument with whataboutism seems to be flavour of the day, even when it is not whataboutism.

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Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by tsol » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 6:51 PM UTC

Buttons840 wrote: post #420

tsol wrote: post #376

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> The other option, if we are really trying to do our best to avoid nuclear war, is to capitulate to Russia. That is not our choice to make (assuming neither of us is Ukrainian). Our choice is only to cut off support and let Ukraine fight truly alone.

Yes that's my point, that is capitulation to Russia for us. To not get involved.

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Post by toomanyrichies » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 6:51 PM UTC

lowkey wrote: post #336

traceroute66 wrote: post #270

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> a lot of people seem ok with punishing Russian individuals for the actions of the government. Its easy to say that but you have to look at the bigger picture. It's easy to say "just punish the government / the oligarchs", but as most Westerners know, these people have become extraordinarily adept at hiding their money and distributing their assets. So it is very difficult indeed to target them per-se, hence you nee…

I feel like you are conveniently skipping the part where millions of ordinary Russians are being economically devastated by broad brush sanctions that punish the poor and middle class Russians who are innocent of war crimes, simply because they were unfortunate to be born in the wrong country and they may justifiably be afraid for their lives if they protest. For those who say beat the war drums, punish them all, jus…

I support sanctions precisely because I wouldn’t want to volunteer for any militia, and am therefore not prepared to ask others to do the same.

If the options on the table are a) do nothing, b) launch a military counter-offensive which could lead to use of nuclear weapons and/or a cyber-war with as-yet unknown (but certainly devastating) consequences, or c) use economic measures to deprive Putin of the tax base he needs to fund his war, I choose option C.

I’m willing to consider other options if they are presented.

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by jotm » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 6:51 PM UTC

9214 wrote: post #385

therusskiy wrote: post #6

I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…

FYI, I heard that Georgia plans to introduce visas for Russians, because local population begins to worry of all the immigrants taking jobs. Meanwhile, in Russia's remote places (small town in Ural region) some grocerry shops have imposed food rationing for essentials (sugar, bread, wheat, flour, etc) because of panic-bying. And it's snowing as if during Ragnarök, nordic end of times. Among my friends and relatives w…

Afaik, if there's one thing Russia is actually self-sustained at, it's food and energy. Would there really be shortages of food because of the sanctions?

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Post by Etherlord87 » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 6:51 PM UTC

akrymski wrote: post #293

b112 wrote: post #183

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When was the last time the US invaded, with an intent to never, ever leave? When was the last time the US invaded, and slaughtered civilians, on purpose, just to spread terror. Not by accident, or a rogue element, but purposefully. When was the last time the US jailed, not by a mistake in justice but on purpose, all who dared speak out about her actions? And killed them when possible? Many reading the above will say…

I'm 100% against the war, but the American hypocrisy here is next level. This isn't an ethnic genocide. Had Putin wanted to kill civilians you wouldn't have 100s of deaths but millions like in Iraq and Afghanistan. Just like the US he is looking to overturn the government. The reality is that some people in Ukraine (Donbas and large portion of the East) do support Russia. Truth is never black and white.

> Had Putin wanted to kill civilians you wouldn't have 100s of deaths but millions like in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Is this some grim joke? Had putin wanted to kill civilians, he could use nuclear weaponry in various forms to kill billions.

But putin, like everyone in this world, is limited by various factors, like army morale, or the patience of its neighbors. The economical situation of russia is terrible, but it can always get worse, and making a full scale attack against civilians, would end up with even more dramatic response like even China sanctioning them, or EU sanctioning them completely with complete disregard to own economy (no gas) or some kind of alliance actually attacking a nuclear empire for the first time in history (not counting the Japanese who didn't expect USA to develop the technology so fast), or... Simply putin would be killed by some highly ranked officer.

> Just like the US

What is it with all this symmetrism on HN? putin invaded Ukraine without casus belli.

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by jotm » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 6:52 PM UTC

belter wrote: post #363

therusskiy wrote: post #6

I managed to escape the country yesterday, had to flight to Egypt of all places, because ALL (even business) tickets were sold out. The recent news is that starting March 6 all international flights are suspended, the trap has closed. The disheartening thing is that even if you never supported Putin, other countries treat you as enemy. I am at Georgia now and banks refuse to open bank accounts to Russians, and I need…

Are the Russians of the older generation, that get their news from most of the official news, buying into the government story? Or do you think everybody already realized what is really happening in Ukraine?

Well, from the comments on Youtube, they're insanely indoctrinated. Zero chance it's all bots.