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Post by stickfigure » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 7:25 PM UTC

nuccy wrote: post #368

therusskiy wrote: post #209

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it doesn't sound like you enjoy fighting Russian military, why should I? As for silence, I've been helping Russian opposition financially for years (even when it became illegal, through different channels), talking to relatives and friends to make sure they know what's going on. At some point risks become too great. Imagine Maidan, but if Yanukovich won and had 8 years to surround himself with 100 times more military…

Sure, nothing personal, one leaves, a thousand of others will do the same with the same reasoning, then a million, ten millions... Who will stay? No idea, but Putin definitely will, putting in danger the whole world.

If ten millions of Russia's most educated and brightest leave the country, it will have an effect. Those tanks and airplanes are expensive and require lots of skill to build and maintain.

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Post by ignoramous » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 7:26 PM UTC

SeanLuke wrote: post #416

ignoramous wrote: post #370

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Look at my shit, even if as smelly, it is better documented than yours. > I'm sorry, but this is whataboutism in its full glory. Dismissing every argument with whataboutism seems to be flavour of the day, even when it is not whataboutism.

You're welcome to your own opinions, and your own blithe dismissals, but you are not welcome to your own facts. I lived during most of the period discussed by the GP. Everything from the Bay of Pigs to supporting the Shah to Iran Contra to the invasion of Grenada was well covered and well criticized in the US press. And the US invasion of Iraq was highly criticized in the US press even as the US government was facing…

Having "free" Press does not absolve US of its crimes.

That's even ignoring the fact that the Press itself is a propaganda tool for the US military-industrial complex, while steeping in biases of its own.

You're welcome to live in your own bubble of facts.

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Post by novosel » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 7:26 PM UTC

moonchrome wrote: post #505

artyomxyz wrote: post #378

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In some way you’re right. But it’s important to note that we haven’t chosen this government, we haven’t chosen this country we live in. I personally lost any hope to change it one year earlier after participating in pro-Navalny protests. Now, I just don’t want to have anything in common with this government. I’m choosing another one. And I’m not going to pay taxes to Russian government anymore

>But it’s important to note that we haven’t chosen this government, we haven’t chosen this country we live in. From my perspective this is the only meaningful change you can make. If my government ever starts getting in my way too much I'll find another one. Voting with my feet literally. We have this luxury as in-demand professionals. Kind of hard for me to empathize with Russian developers when they had decades to…

And, where will You find it? (The new government I mean)

Things are, The Reality is, much more complicated.

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Post by helge9210 » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 7:26 PM UTC

jotm wrote: post #458

9214 wrote: post #385

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FYI, I heard that Georgia plans to introduce visas for Russians, because local population begins to worry of all the immigrants taking jobs. Meanwhile, in Russia's remote places (small town in Ural region) some grocerry shops have imposed food rationing for essentials (sugar, bread, wheat, flour, etc) because of panic-bying. And it's snowing as if during Ragnarök, nordic end of times. Among my friends and relatives w…

Afaik, if there's one thing Russia is actually self-sustained at, it's food and energy. Would there really be shortages of food because of the sanctions?

Of course.

Famine is the natural stable state for Russia.

Russia was on the brink of famine in 1990-1991. Putin's political career started from stealing and reselling humanitarian aid from USA in St Petersburg. He was saved from prosecution by mayor Sobchak. That's why his daughter Ksenia Sobchak always got preferential treatment.

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Post by politician » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 7:27 PM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #440

politician wrote: post #381

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You oppose sanctions. Do you support a global nuclear exchange? Sometimes bad things are necessary to forestall worse things. The stark reality of Mutually Assured Destruction is that America will turn Russia, its military, its cities, its dirt into radioactive glass if they launch their nuclear weapons. Look at this reality in the face and then decide if you still oppose sanctions.

> Do you support a global nuclear exchange? Sometimes bad things are necessary to forestall worse things. Who said sanctions would "forestall" that?

The strategic apparatus of NATO, the folks that have been studying this issue since the Cold War, have said it by doing it ("actions speak louder than words"). With 73k karma, I'm confident in asserting that you've been around enough to know that NATO has a playbook for this and is working through it. Or how did you think they not only settled on a course of action but gained consensus so quickly?

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Post by ridiculous_leke » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 7:27 PM UTC

JamesBarney wrote: post #424

axg11 wrote: post #243

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I see both sides to this. Yes, Russians should protest against the horrible actions of their government. On the other hand, if you’re an average Russian with few/no international ties, would you really risk protesting against a government with a demonstrated track record of murdering dissidents and imprisoning protestors? NATO/the West is choosing to worsen the lives of 144 million Russian citizens due to the actions…

All the polls in Russia show more than half the population supports the special military operations in Russia. So it's way more than a few hundred. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of soldiers who are literally invading Ukraine right now.

Not sure how legit the polls are. However, most of the people will support security and safety over freedom. Supporting war seems to be the only safe of living under Putin's regime.

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Post by trhway » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 7:27 PM UTC

331c8c71 wrote: post #324

Mikeb85 wrote: post #311

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Of course they are. It's the Ukrainian Nazi-Jews killing civilians, not the people who invaded their country and are currently levelling it...

The ukranian army benefits from the human shield. The russian don't since they can't attack without causing civilian deaths (and the associated backlash). But I guess you believe the Russians are eating civilians alive if they can.

You're repeating Russian propaganda that is straight from the German Nazi playbook. "If you don't defend your cities we wouldn't have to kill your civilians there."

>the Russians are eating civilians alive if they can

the Russians are indiscriminately bombing Ukrainian residential areas, including using prohibited cluster and vacuum munitions.

When it comes to eating, the Russians are marauding stores for food and alcohol as Russian military supply is broken and stolen in typical Russian fashion.

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Post by optimalonpaper » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 7:28 PM UTC

ugjka wrote: post #354

adventured wrote: post #320

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> NATO/the West is choosing to worsen the lives of 144 million Russian citizens due to the actions of ~several hundred people. That's the single biggest falsehood of this whole thing propaganda wise: that the Russian people aren't responsible for what's going on. The Russian people are responsbile for their culture, which keeps producing and promoting authoritarianism, decade after decade, generation after generation…

Would you say in the same vein that North Koreans are responsible for the dictatorship they are living in?

To the same degree that russians are responsible for the political regime they live under -- it's the result of their inactivity and tolerance of the horrific things that are happening right now, no?

Of course if you're in North Korea, it's much much harder (if possible at all) to do anything. But unless russians wake up soon, they're heading in the same direction as North Korea for sure.

So they should act before they become North Korea, act whilst they can

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Post by cjbgkagh » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 7:29 PM UTC

riedel wrote: post #207

lolinder wrote: post #61

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I'm all for annihilating Russia's economy (even if it means civilians are caught in the crossfire) but the treatment GP received after leaving is extremely disheartening. The goal should be to welcome fleeing Russians with open arms and make it as easy as possible for them to permanently put down roots.

I think discriminating peoplejust due to their nationality has to stop. I am seeing this even at my university even if official sanctions are more targeted. One big problem is the "deemed export" rules that the US imposes effectively on the whole world ( e.g. if we do research for a US listed company)

I agree, people don’t chose their nationality (for the most part) just like they don’t choose the color of their skin. That said being a straight white male it has been a reprieve.

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Post by ThalesX » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 7:29 PM UTC

throwaway_4ever wrote: post #510

tartoran wrote: post #471

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That polarising effect on older generations versus younger ones is something that has affected a large part of the world and I’d be curios to know whether it originated by one source or it simply emerged as a trend. First time I heard about troll farms was something brewed in Russia but it certainly spread around by then

It originated as a consequence of a burgeoning free media environment due to the proliferation of smart phones and the internet. The younger generations, with their higher level of fluid intelligence, are able to approach things with better critical thinking and navigating the complexities of the internet world. The older generations aren't able to adapt and are sitting ducks for being easily manipulated by technolog…

I used to be of this opinion until I asked myself whether I'm really that fluidly intelligent and able to approach things with better critical thinking, and am not a sitting duck for being easily manipulated by technology. Turns out, I was wrong and I am human after all and there are ways to manipulate me, especially by using the technology I love so much.