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Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by viraptor »

smcl wrote: post #264
twelve40 wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just like Embraer would have a ton of trouble delivering a 500 plane replacement, think about what would it take to return 500 leased planes (and for the leasing companies to lease them to someone else to avoid going bankrupt, and for Boeing to deal with a deluge of cheap second-hand planes, etc etc). Even if all 500 planes are instantly returned at the end of March (how?), there will be reduced traffic to Europe due…

I think the point being made originally was not that the leased planes will be returned (many articles suggest they won't), it was that these planes need ongoing maintenance and parts which the airlines won't have access to. The original tweet thread viraptor is referring to suggested that this is something that will hit the airlines much sooner than we laypersons might have imagined. We'll see in the coming weeks, b…

That was the exact thread I was looking for. Thank you.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by namdnay »

L3viathan wrote: post #154
namdnay wrote: post #150

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IKEA is way higher than the minimum level of quality. Their range goes from medium-low to medium. You can find far worse furniture than ikea (often more expensive)

I think you misread: > And then you have the problem that people are used to IKEA stuff being the minimum acceptable level of quality. People see the IKEA level -- whatever that is -- as the minimum acceptable level. Anything worse than IKEA is not worth considering.

Do they though? There are lots of lower quality stores out there thriving

I’d say IKEA serves as the benchmark of value for money.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by jacquesm »

Borrible wrote: post #270
jacquesm wrote: post #256

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Note the 'at some point': Russia can't go on like this, regardless of whatever popular support Putin has at this point in time. It's about as meaningful as the support for Kim in NK.

It's not the problem what we think they can get away with. The problem is what they think they can can get away with. And in what time frame. They obviously operate in a different frame of reference. Their military doctrine is also different from ours, apart from the obvious shortcomings at the moment. But it doesn't matter militaryly, they don't fight us, they fight the Ukraine. Because of their bloody nukes. A sham…

> They want status quo ante 1997

They can want whatever they want, doesn't mean they are going to get it.

> They don't fight us, they fight the Ukraine.

They don't fight us, they fight Poland!

This sort of thing doesn't really work.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by IYasha »

Reading all these comments on every side (US, UA, RU, etc.) I mostly see the same - people discuss anything except key questions: why did US sanction the military action (what makes them)? Why did Russian Federation changed its course of actions so radically in 2017? Why did RU change its coat of arms on money? Did the SU really cease to exist? What was considered "Russia" during last 100-500 years (and what US)? It's one of a few "countries" that influence the whole world and those processes didn't start a decade or a hundred years ago. And current conflict is a publicly visible link in the long and entangled chain of geopolitical moves. There are great analytics in both US/RU who dug deep to the roots of WW2 and many other wars who are being equally hated by both US and RU governments/deep state. And I sincerely hope there'll be more understanding people. We just need to seriously catch up. Wars are made to cut human population, divide and disperse people. Please don't get dragged into that. I have friends from all around the world, and I WANT to have friends from all around the world, and I will. (sorry, I'm not in a position to answer those questions directly, I just want people of all nations to think globally, regardless of pen-drawn borders, otherwise, one by one...)

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by twelve40 »

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #249
twelve40 wrote: post #157

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Clue me in which large manufacturer of passenger plans you have on your mind. There is practically nobody left any more. Boeing, Airbus and Embraer are controlling the market and all of those are directly or indirectly sanctioning Russia right now. Bombardier at this point is practically Airbus. In Russia there is one locally manufactured plane that has some traction from Sukhoi, but it also won't be able to be servi…

> key components are now sanctioned

Since you are so specific, can you at least hint what exactly are these key components that are now being sanctioned? Not engines.

And sure, why not Comac, too, but that's a different story. Doesn't quite look like Cessna, does it?

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by viraptor »

twelve40 wrote: post #275
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clue me in which large manufacturer of passenger plans you have on your mind. There is practically nobody left any more. Boeing, Airbus and Embraer are controlling the market and all of those are directly or indirectly sanctioning Russia right now. Bombardier at this point is practically Airbus. In Russia there is one locally manufactured plane that has some traction from Sukhoi, but it also won't be able to be servi…

> key components are now sanctioned Since you are so specific, can you at least hint what exactly are these key components that are now being sanctioned? Not engines. And sure, why not Comac, too, but that's a different story. Doesn't quite look like Cessna, does it?

The locally produced engines you mentioned elsewhere are barely past testing phase with single deployments in 2020/2021. The plans for this year were to produce 10 planes and that was assuming fully functioning economy and government grants. I'd be honestly impressed if they actually pulled off those 10.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by Borrible »

justsomehnguy wrote: post #269
Borrible wrote: post #263

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Absolutely right you are, sir. We all have to thank the Russians to have shown the world in 2014 how to do it. And before that. And also to give us a great opportunity for Whataboutism. Sigh, I probably still have those Bezmenov brochures from the early eighties lying around somewhere.

It is always funny how people can legitimize anything if it is used against the people they don't like. "Bombing civilians" is unacceptable if they are from "Europe" like Ukraine. "Bombing civilians" is fine if they are savages from Middle East, Africa or "not-Europe", like Russia.

Wow, an early deployment of the Racism card. Bold move, congratulation.

But then again, do you really think anybody is still reading this deep in the thread? They're already bored, no shiny tech, just endless babble.

But okay, your next move, Godwin’s law.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%E2%80%99s_law

Game over.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by pydry »

mopsi wrote: post #242
pydry wrote: post #185

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On this topic I can think of two that I'm seeing on a regular basis. 1. NATO is solely a defensive organization. Libya is the clearest counterexample but there others. 2. NATO never gave assurances it wouldnt move east. There are a number of recently released diplomatic caches that prove this to be false https://larouchepub.com/other/2021/4824-chatham_house_lies_a... https://news.antiwar.com/2022/02/21/uncovered-docu…

1. Lots of things get discussed. This was such a minor topic that Gorbachev didn't even recall it ever having been on agenda. Ultimately discussions lead to a formal agreement with a text approved by all sides and that's what counts. There is no formal agreement, only tiny snippets that mention it ever having been discussed. 2. The Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore. Even if such assurances had been made, a number (m…

>Lots of things get discussed.

Yes, and the contents of those discussions have been released under FOIA.

>This was such a minor topic that Gorbachev didn't even recall it ever having been on agenda.

I have no idea why Gorbachev's memory failed but it's clearly there in the minutes. In many discussions.

Pretending that it never happened is a lie.

>The Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore

Russia is the successor state.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by Tade0 »

cudgy wrote: post #213
Tade0 wrote: post #129

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That would imply that sovereign states don't get to decide who they're aligned with. As seen with Ukraine that in turn would make them first targets for an invasion. Such a decision would be anything but de-escalation.

The reality is that Sovereignty is relative to how close a country is to the border of super power nations. Do you think Mexico or Canada can ally with any nation or join any military alliance they wish?

I don't know about Mexico or Canada, but Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland are all both Russia's neighbours and NATO members.

Either Russia is not a superpower or it's not that relevant.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by drawfloat »

jdrc wrote: post #97

These kind of photos always impress me about the number of people who are on their phones. We dont live in countries anymore, we live in screens with our legs on some kind of ground. I hope it's not irreversibly long until these stores can be reopened. We should stop pretending we re living in the cold war era, world is always new. Russia has shown itself to be an irresponsible holder of nukes. After the fall of puti…

I mean, from the look of it, most of them are stood in queues doing nothing.
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