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Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

#91
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I admire that Russians seems to be able to accept their fate and hope for a better future. I'm afraid this same scenario in a large American city would be pandemonium.

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That's not a paintbrush I would use.

The United States has conducted many unjust wars (killing many civilians) that I certainly don't support and really have no power to stop.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

#92

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I don't like getting into politics, but I believe the current situation is temporary, either will end up with a major political change in Russia or with a new cold war. Whichever the case for the local economy its like hitting the reset button.

Putin is 69 in a country where average age at death is 73. So the most likely scenario is that the status quo remains until he passes away. At which point there would be an opportunity for a clean reset in relations.

> At which point there would be an opportunity for a clean reset in relations.

No. All major industries are breaking up contracts with the Russians. SWIFT took a century to build. None of that is coming back. Russia can never trust Europe again, and no country can trust Cloud products anymore, seeing how many Russian people are getting HTTP 410 from Cloud products.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

#93
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What I'm curious about all the sanctions is what if Russia changes? Say Putin quits or is killed and the replacement withdraws from Ukraine. Are we back on again?

Yes, well depending on the new regime. But that seems extremely unlikely? Let's say Putin announces victory and that he is stepping back. Would anyone trust he is not pulling the strings anymore?

Interesting thought on how Putin might get out of this. But it should be quite visible, whether this is just an act (like exchanging office with Medvedjev some years back) or a real government change.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

#94
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Well, IKEA leaving is not a big issue - making furniture is easy and doesn't require high-tech. Thus, in one year or two nobody will even remember them. The industries that require technology, like electronics, biotechnology, healthcare - those will be permanently crippled, maybe completely eliminated.

Perhaps Russia can get electronics, biotechnology, and healthcare supplies where the US gets their's: China.

Are Russia and China on good terms these days? Does Russia have anything to trade with China for yuan so they can buy those Chinese goods?

I guess we'll find out. Or maybe the US tries to sanction China for freely trading with those evil Russians? Interesting times ahead…

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

#95
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there are plenty of planes flying in and out, container ships delivering, and cross border payments happening, right now.

Container shipping is about to be reduced, Maersk just announced that they would only ship food to Russia going forward. Aviation in Russia might come mostly to a halt. About 500 airplanes are leased and have to be returned within a month to the leasing companies, the rest is running out of spare parts quickly.

So now we are all of a sudden in the "might come to a halt" hypothetical. Ok. First of all, at least 40% of the planes are home-built, so aviation in Russia most certainly will not come to a halt.

Then, how do you picture 500 planes getting returned and leasing companies instantly re-leasing them to other customers to keep their own business afloat? Even if that does happen, worst case, that will reduce Russian air traffic to something like Covid days-level. There are a lot of hypotheticals in this thread, facts on the ground right now are, the planes are flying, cargo ships are delivering and all but 7 banks are moving the money across the borders just fine.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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That's a smart take I have not fully thought through. Beyond just economically, perhaps potential big gains politically by using money & leverage to become the controlling mother that Russia is to Belarus, making russia the dependent & ruled child.

I feel this is the real selling point of democracy and free media, its hard for a foreign nation to buy an entire electorate. Several nations seem to be setting themselves up for irrelevence by undermining democracy, usually at the behest of powerful groups within the country, but to do so they basically need to pay a bunch of people to tell lies. They've then created a network that external corporations and governme…

> its hard for a foreign nation to buy an entire electorate

You sure? According to the US government, a few hundred thousand dollars on Facebook ads was enough to buy a US President (c.f Trump, Donald J).

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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These kind of photos always impress me about the number of people who are on their phones. We dont live in countries anymore, we live in screens with our legs on some kind of ground. I hope it's not irreversibly long until these stores can be reopened. We should stop pretending we re living in the cold war era, world is always new. Russia has shown itself to be an irresponsible holder of nukes. After the fall of putin regime it has to rejoin the rest of the world as just a 'country'

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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You don't get it. In the US you can watch something else, despite the oversized influence of media conglomerates.

Not so much... Russian media is getting blocked in some places in the west too. RT was blocked from YouTube and TV in the UK for example.

Which totally makes sense. Russia is a dictatorship waging a war of aggression a democratic neighbour. Why should we give their state propaganda outlets any amplification?

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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If spreading “fake news” about Putin could get you locked up for 15 years you might be equally disinclined to protest.

Then again their neighbors have to live with things worse than jail.

Do you think that's going to stop when probably already over crowded Russian jails fill up with dissidents?

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

#100

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You don't get it. In the US you can watch something else, despite the oversized influence of media conglomerates.

Not so much... Russian media is getting blocked in some places in the west too. RT was blocked from YouTube and TV in the UK for example.

Russian propaganda. Russia doesn't have any functional media at the moment.
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