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Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by cudgy »

mrtksn wrote: post #208
selfhoster11 wrote: post #196

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I was responding to the question: > Does Russia already have a talent base or flourishing industries for all the stuff they are being denied? (...) They used to have huge talent pool of all kinds during the Soviet times but that is no longer the case. That's why I brought up programming. If the legendary Russian skills are still extant in that industry, then that's one example of a pool of talent that remained intact…

Sure, there are great programmers in Russia. How is that relevant though?

Because programmers are smart generally and many of them are engineers. They can certainly figure out how to make furniture and repair or build simple woodworking machines and tools amongst many other endeavors.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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twaw wrote: post #163
sdb0 wrote: post #108

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Because you believe in freedom of speech?

Typical liberal democracy has 2 modes of work: peace time and war time. In time of peace, value of human life is infinite, thus fredom of someone ends where freedom of somewhere else starts. Nobody can cut basic freedoms of someone else without court decision. In time of war, this freedom creates vulnerability, so modern democraties have utalitarian laws designed to maximise survivability of nation as whole instead.…

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Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by watwut »

yk wrote: post #190
nuccy wrote: post #56

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People from the west may say: well yes, our media is biased also. And that is true, but direction of this bias is different for each media outlet, so by watching something else you can find discrepancies and inconsistencies. While in Russia all tv, radio, newspapers are government controlled, so they put the same fake and propaganda which due to lack of anything else (all blocked) yields brain washing on a whole coun…

There are also a lot of systematic biases in western media, first of all they all write that the west is really, really great. If they don't write that, and only write that the west is really great, then their readers will look for a publication that uses an appropriate number of "really" when telling their readers that the west, and by extension the presumably western reader, is great.

This is ... just not true. I mean, it is not true about media in EU. It is not true about right wing media in America. It is not true about centrist media in America. And not true about their leftist ones.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by sdb0 »

twaw wrote: post #163
sdb0 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because you believe in freedom of speech?

Typical liberal democracy has 2 modes of work: peace time and war time. In time of peace, value of human life is infinite, thus fredom of someone ends where freedom of somewhere else starts. Nobody can cut basic freedoms of someone else without court decision. In time of war, this freedom creates vulnerability, so modern democraties have utalitarian laws designed to maximise survivability of nation as whole instead.…

Freedom of speech is not a vulnerability. The war did not start because too many westerners were able to watch RT. Ukraine is not in danger because of any conflict between jews and nazis.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by maigret »

mushbino wrote: post #186
jl6 wrote: post #69

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Western media bias works by using selective reporting and omission, plus artful mixing of fact and opinion. It doesn’t too often make up outright bare-faced lies like we see coming from the Russian government.

Exactly. The news doesn't lie to me about the wealthy dodging taxes, but they sure don't report on it. There are also lots of technical truths, but heavily spun.

Huh? I read almost everywhere about it. Never heard about the Panama Papers?

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by mrtksn »

cudgy wrote: post #221
mrtksn wrote: post #208

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Sure, there are great programmers in Russia. How is that relevant though?

Because programmers are smart generally and many of them are engineers. They can certainly figure out how to make furniture and repair or build simple woodworking machines and tools amongst many other endeavors.

>Because programmers are smart generally and many of them are engineers. They can certainly figure out how to make furniture and repair or build simple woodworking machines and tools amongst many other endeavors.

I'm speechless.

Actually, the most profound examples of stupidity I'm seeng lately comes from programmers and technologist who think they understand everything just because they can read high-level simplified explanation of a concept in wikipedia or some blog post.

This arrogance is deeply concerning for me, it usually comes from people with no depth in anything other than programming. Dunning–Kruger effect? Maybe.

Elon Musk is a good example for high profile version of this. Without knowledge of caves he adventured to build robot to get kids out of a flooding cave, then proceeded to attack the person who actually knew his stuff and saved the kids. Another one is again him, predicting the end of Covid in the US. Another gold from Musk is him insulting medical professionals for not pumping a drug that cures Covid, that later turned out not to cure Covid.

This is Musk but Musk-alikes dominate the programming culture. It's horrible.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by Tepix »

maigret wrote: post #225
mushbino wrote: post #186

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Exactly. The news doesn't lie to me about the wealthy dodging taxes, but they sure don't report on it. There are also lots of technical truths, but heavily spun.

Huh? I read almost everywhere about it. Never heard about the Panama Papers?

Look at every single article discussing new taxes for the rich. You will find people (sometimes the article itself) arguing that the rich shouldn't be taxed because their money will "trickle down", despite this myth having been refuted decades ago.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by nikolay »

How is Russia losing by having one less importer? By the way, I still see ads of McDonald's, KFC, and M&Ms on Russian TV. I think this would actually improve Russia's economy. And the TV is actually constantly reporting on the war. I bought an online subscription just so that I can see the Russian state's points. By US censoring Russia, they made it fair so that Russia censors back in response, i.e. hurting the Russians in Russia to hypothetically hurt Russians outside of Russia - it was the typicall knee-jerk and "mee too" move that does nothing positive at the end.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by InvOfSmallC »

delegate wrote: post #86

Photos of queues in shops and empty shelves is the only resistance left. Any non-official information about the war is punishable with 15 years in prison camps. What's happening in Ukraine is a tragedy, but what's happening in Russia as a result of sanctions is quite tragic in itself. Currency is in free fall, hundreds of companies closed shops and offices, many will lose their jobs, etc. This will hit marriages and…

You know. Just because Putin doesn’t call it a war, it is a war. West is fighting with a different kind of attacks.

Also, you probably never dated an Eastern woman, they are not weak at all :)

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