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Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by bitwise101 »

ranieuwe wrote: post #46
bitwise101 wrote: post #36

Go visit the homepage of this newspaper. It's crazy, there's no clear reference to war or attacks. This article on Ikea is just an attempt to tell the desperation without breaking the censorship law.

They were told to censor or be sued. They removed any postings of war after that. Novaya Gazeta is a newspaper critical of current Russian affairs.

Yes, I understood immediately the position of the newspaper browsing a bit the site. There are a lot of comments here talking about Ikea, Russian alternatives and business opportunities. I think they are somehow missing the point

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by squarefoot »

ranieuwe wrote: post #46
bitwise101 wrote: post #36

Go visit the homepage of this newspaper. It's crazy, there's no clear reference to war or attacks. This article on Ikea is just an attempt to tell the desperation without breaking the censorship law.

They were told to censor or be sued. They removed any postings of war after that. Novaya Gazeta is a newspaper critical of current Russian affairs.

They know they risk a lot more than being sued. Novaya Gazeta is also the newspaper the journalist, and Putin's strong critic, Anna Politkovskaya wrote for before being murdered on Oct 7 2006. Note that Oct 7 is the birthday of Vladimir Putin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Politkovskaya

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by mrtksn »

kyriakos wrote: post #5

They say every crisis is an opportunity. This could be a great opportunity for Russian owned brands to establish themselves and thrive later when the crisis is hopefully resolved.

It could be but they need to be primed for it already.

How did the US not selling drones to Turkey made Turkey a drone superpower? Well, Turkey already had a large engineering talent pool and related industries, therefore US not selling drones to Turkey was an opportunity.

Does Russia already have a talent base or flourishing industries for all the stuff they are being denied? I find it unlikely, it's a common problem with natural resource blessed countries destroying high skill sectors because a very few things are as profitable and risk free as digging stuff from the ground, sell them and live off from than money. Norway is being smart about it, countries like Dubai and UAE are also trying to be smart about it but AFAIK Russia is not very smart. They used to have huge talent pool of all kinds during the Soviet times but that is no longer the case. They monetised the remains of the Soviets and used the money to buy yachts, palaces and luxury estate abroad.

What is the last innovation, art or product that came out of Russia and change the world? Probably there are some but not many. They used to be the ones competing with the west neck to neck, bringing in their flavour and coming up with something ingenious.

It's very sad actually, considering what the Russian people have archived in the past.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by prawn »

threeseed wrote: post #16
kyriakos wrote: post #5

They say every crisis is an opportunity. This could be a great opportunity for Russian owned brands to establish themselves and thrive later when the crisis is hopefully resolved.

Provided they are vertically integrated and own the entire supply chain. Otherwise they will find that planes not flying in/out and container ships not delivering will make it hard to import anything at scale. Not that they could pay for goods anyway. Also I suspect China may use its new found leverage to flood the Russian market with their goods.

Would Russia have an advantage in timber/forestry? Russia has almost 4x the forest area, but not sure about felling and organised industry around it. Almost 50% of Russia is forested to China's 23%, though I also found articles about China aggressively reforesting.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by thatguy0900 »

twelve40 wrote: post #38
threeseed wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Provided they are vertically integrated and own the entire supply chain. Otherwise they will find that planes not flying in/out and container ships not delivering will make it hard to import anything at scale. Not that they could pay for goods anyway. Also I suspect China may use its new found leverage to flood the Russian market with their goods.

there are plenty of planes flying in and out, container ships delivering, and cross border payments happening, right now.

On the front page is a post about yandex where yandex says that they have equipment for a year on hand but there is a legitimate concern that as their equipment naturally breaks they will not be able to source replacements. There's no garuntee on what will be available for any up and coming company

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by nuccy »

nuccy wrote: post #48
bitwise101 wrote: post #36

Go visit the homepage of this newspaper. It's crazy, there's no clear reference to war or attacks. This article on Ikea is just an attempt to tell the desperation without breaking the censorship law.

I was also surprised by this. I find it absolutely crazy. The reason is that just few days ago the parliament of Russia introduced a law on "fakes about Russian army" with 15 years in prison penalty. What is "fake" is not defined so anyone for any statement about the war could be put in prison. Ah yes, people are also forbidden to call this a war, an agression or an invasion. You may say that there are other outlets…

People from the west may say: well yes, our media is biased also. And that is true, but direction of this bias is different for each media outlet, so by watching something else you can find discrepancies and inconsistencies. While in Russia all tv, radio, newspapers are government controlled, so they put the same fake and propaganda which due to lack of anything else (all blocked) yields brain washing on a whole country scale.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by Aeolun »

nuccy wrote: post #48
bitwise101 wrote: post #36

Go visit the homepage of this newspaper. It's crazy, there's no clear reference to war or attacks. This article on Ikea is just an attempt to tell the desperation without breaking the censorship law.

I was also surprised by this. I find it absolutely crazy. The reason is that just few days ago the parliament of Russia introduced a law on "fakes about Russian army" with 15 years in prison penalty. What is "fake" is not defined so anyone for any statement about the war could be put in prison. Ah yes, people are also forbidden to call this a war, an agression or an invasion. You may say that there are other outlets…

“The recent unpleasantness in Ukraine”

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by Thorrez »

mrtksn wrote: post #53
kyriakos wrote: post #5

They say every crisis is an opportunity. This could be a great opportunity for Russian owned brands to establish themselves and thrive later when the crisis is hopefully resolved.

It could be but they need to be primed for it already. How did the US not selling drones to Turkey made Turkey a drone superpower? Well, Turkey already had a large engineering talent pool and related industries, therefore US not selling drones to Turkey was an opportunity. Does Russia already have a talent base or flourishing industries for all the stuff they are being denied? I find it unlikely, it's a common proble…

>What is the last innovation, art or product that came out of Russia and change the world?

Maybe Telegram? It has 500 million monthly active users.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by jacquesm »

Borrible wrote: post #29
k12sosse wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And frankly said, if the performance of the Russian furniture industry is similar to that of the Russian military, I wouldn' buy a doorstop from them. Russian military doorstops are a dime a dozen right now in Ukraine.

Oh, my God, that 40 miles convoy. A crawling duck, but sadly no Warthogs in sight. It's a shame.

Yes, NATO donating some training and a couple of A-10s would be an interesting move. Obviously it is never going to be that simple.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Post by jacquesm »

Svoka wrote: post #45
okareaman wrote: post #6

I admire that Russians seems to be able to accept their fate and hope for a better future. I'm afraid this same scenario in a large American city would be pandemonium.

Quoted post unavailable.

So does the West, we are still importing gas from there.
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