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Re: World's only An-225 destroyed by Russian airstrikes

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Post by trhway » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 7:31 PM UTC

coolspot wrote: post #158

trhway wrote: post #64

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On this image it is clear that shell or missile which killed Mria came from the left https://s30121.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Screen-Sho... That is North direction. Right toward the Russian forces which at the time had made that huge advance through Chernobyl toward Kiev. The trace in the pavement points to a large and fast shell or missile. Ukrainians are using up to 203mm which looks too small for that tra…

Your pucture is rotated. Here is the place: https://goo.gl/maps/kPKyJVTkDoFyWZD47 It looks like the south part of the hangar was damaged.

Yes, the south part of hangar is damaged. That the missile came from the left (North) on the image i posted is obvious by the pattern of blast effects and the trace in pavement the missile made - it is very clear that the right end of the trace is deeper visually and by the blast effects geometry. The missile pierced the hangar roof - it is thin metal sheet not affecting anything - either where it was microsecond later damaged by the blast or where you see the hole over the tail of the plane on my original link as well as here https://d3lcr32v2pp4l1.cloudfront.net/Pictures/780xany/4/4/5...

The missile struck pavement ~30m from hangar, the hangar is ~30m high and the roof is damaged to the point about ~30m from the edge. The missile came at low angle, so it could have come through the area there the roof was damaged by the blast (that gives minimum angle for the missile - by the 60m to 30m ratio - of a bit under 30 degree), and the hole over the plane's tail gives the low angle which is also a good candidate.

Re: World's only An-225 destroyed by Russian airstrikes

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Post by Iwan-Zotow » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 7:53 PM UTC

bpodgursky wrote: post #146

Aldipower wrote: post #117

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Even is this is true, without Russian invasion, there would be no need for Ukrainian shells barrage.

Yeah, even if it was true, it means the Russian paratroopers were using the hangar as shelter from Ukrainian counterattacks after they violently seized the airport. (my understanding is all these paratroopers were shortly eliminated, so it was a huge waste of life all around)

Aluminum hangar as a shelter? From artillery?!?

Ukrainians just shelled the area, some shells hit hangar with the plane.

> my understanding is all these paratroopers were shortly eliminated, so it was a huge waste of life all around

Huh?!?

How come Russian TV 1st channel were translating from Gostomel, with display of battlefield, broken hangar, burning An-225, ...? Do you think UA army would allow (only) Russian reporters there?

Re: World's only An-225 destroyed by Russian airstrikes

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Post by dang » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 8:40 PM UTC

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Re: World's only An-225 destroyed by Russian airstrikes

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Post by masklinn » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 9:12 PM UTC

mark-r wrote: post #160

masklinn wrote: post #50

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Mriya’s crew were definitely rated for other planes (almost certainly the An-124 it was derived from for instance): Mriya was expensive to fly, and you’d only charter if if you really needed its lifting capabilities (whether weight or volume). It would not be flying year-round in the first place, so you’d want multiple crew rated for it (so one would be available when an order came in) but you wouldn’t want those cre…

> the landing gear is so overbuilt That was something that caught my eye in the picture, it seems to have an endless number of tires on the ground.

Yep, the 225’s main landing gear had two sets of 7 pairs of wheels (so 28 wheels, plus 4 nose wheels). Up from 5 pairs on the An-124 (and the same 4 nose wheels).

Interestingly it’s not such a high number, the C5 galaxy has 24 in the MLG and and 4 at the nose, despite being slightly lighter than the An-124 (it’s older though). The C5 looks a bit less weird from the side because its MLG is organised in 4 sets of 6 with each set having one pair at the front, and two pairs side-by-side at the back. So from the side it looks like it has 4 pairs per side rather than the actual 6 (it makes the C5 look absolutely alien from the bottom though).

Re: World's only An-225 destroyed by Russian airstrikes

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Post by daveslash » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 9:24 PM UTC

Twirrim wrote: post #141

mlac wrote: post #83

I posted this comment on a less popular thread a few days ago: I had the luck of seeing this plane on approach to IAH airport while driving in Houston. For the first few minutes, it looked like a normal size plane, but felt too low and too slow. Then for the next few minutes, it kept getting bigger and bigger. Then I saw it had 6 engines. And a tail wing that seemed as large as a normal plane’s wingspan. I was lucky…

I used to live in Kaneohe, Hawaii. What you're describing matches my experience watching C-5M for the first time, heading in to land at what was Marine Corps Base Hawaii. I was out walking and watched one flying around the bay, turning in to land. Thought it was low and slow. I remember quite a feeling of cognitive dissonance, as subconscious parts of my brain were refusing to accept what my senses were really saying…

That was my experience with a C-5 as well. I was on a commercial airliner taking off from Bangor, Maine. We were taxing towards the runway and we had to pause and hold while a C-5 did a practice touch-and-go on the same runway we were about to takeoff on. Watching the shadow of the looming C-5 drift across the forest on approach was surreal.

Re: World's only An-225 destroyed by Russian airstrikes

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Post by dctoedt » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 10:06 PM UTC

Twirrim wrote: post #141

mlac wrote: post #83

I posted this comment on a less popular thread a few days ago: I had the luck of seeing this plane on approach to IAH airport while driving in Houston. For the first few minutes, it looked like a normal size plane, but felt too low and too slow. Then for the next few minutes, it kept getting bigger and bigger. Then I saw it had 6 engines. And a tail wing that seemed as large as a normal plane’s wingspan. I was lucky…

I used to live in Kaneohe, Hawaii. What you're describing matches my experience watching C-5M for the first time, heading in to land at what was Marine Corps Base Hawaii. I was out walking and watched one flying around the bay, turning in to land. Thought it was low and slow. I remember quite a feeling of cognitive dissonance, as subconscious parts of my brain were refusing to accept what my senses were really saying…

As a kid, I lived for several years at Eglin Air Force Base in Florida (my dad was stationed there). The C-5A was tested there; we got used to seeing and hearing it passing right overhead in the landing pattern.

Re: World's only An-225 destroyed by Russian airstrikes

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Post by sorokod » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 10:09 PM UTC

wazoox wrote: post #135

supreme_berry wrote: post #92

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What is Russian Ukraine? How old are you?

The Eastern part of Ukraine used to be called "little Russia" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Russia); just like eastern Belarus was simply "White Russia". That's also why from 1721 the Czar was called "Emperor of all the Russias".

Belarus means white russia by itself.

Re: World's only An-225 destroyed by Russian airstrikes

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Post by bpodgursky » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 10:52 PM UTC

Iwan-Zotow wrote: post #162

bpodgursky wrote: post #146

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Yeah, even if it was true, it means the Russian paratroopers were using the hangar as shelter from Ukrainian counterattacks after they violently seized the airport. (my understanding is all these paratroopers were shortly eliminated, so it was a huge waste of life all around)

Aluminum hangar as a shelter? From artillery?!? Ukrainians just shelled the area, some shells hit hangar with the plane. > my understanding is all these paratroopers were shortly eliminated, so it was a huge waste of life all around Huh?!? How come Russian TV 1st channel were translating from Gostomel, with display of battlefield, broken hangar, burning An-225, ...? Do you think UA army would allow (only) Russian rep…

Yes, the Russians ended up in control of it after the armored column arrived a day or two later.

Re: World's only An-225 destroyed by Russian airstrikes

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Post by qiskit » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 11:03 PM UTC

sorokod wrote: post #167

wazoox wrote: post #135

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The Eastern part of Ukraine used to be called "little Russia" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Russia); just like eastern Belarus was simply "White Russia". That's also why from 1721 the Czar was called "Emperor of all the Russias".

Belarus means white russia by itself.

Interesting fact I learned a while back. Belarus is named white russia because mongols used color based cardinal directions ( gold = center, white = west, black = north, red = south, blue = east ).

So white russia means west russia ( west of russia ). Red and black ruthenia means south ruthenia and north ruthenia. White, gold and blue hordes, you get the idea.

If you ever wonder what made white russians white as opposed to other russians, not you know. For the longest time, I thought it was because it snowed more in belarus.

Re: World's only An-225 destroyed by Russian airstrikes

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Post by propogandist » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 12:13 AM UTC

js2 wrote: post #138

shawncampbell wrote: post #136

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This video of the plane landing matches your description: https://twitter.com/samchuiphotos/status/1497963593563791361...

Here it is landing in Raleigh. I sure wish I went out to see it that day. https://youtu.be/sJxSN9x5oZU

https://youtu.be/i7PhWzBc8Q0 it's staggering in HD