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Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Ran out of arguments pretty quickly so taking cover behind your high horse. One of the most pathetic things one can do.

Talk to me about reducing energy from nuclear after you've done something to reduce energy from russian oil and gas. until then - go fuck yourself.

You need to have some kind of an authority to argue like this. E.g. did you do anything about it? But even then it takes a special kind of stupid to behave like this.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Live stream from plant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYUT36YGOh8 Automated Radiation Monitoring system: https://www.npp.zp.ua/en/safety/arms

Just realised that the point I've made in response to a comment probably should be a level higher: Don't trust the radiation monitoring system , the actual monitoring system has been destroyed by a rocket impact three days ago. The monitoring system has been shot down on 1 Sep. Here is the statement from the Nuclear Agency in Ukraine: On March 1, 2022 at 11:40 as a result of rocket impact, the communication network o…

this particular post: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=3241517597...

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Talk to me about reducing energy from nuclear after you've done something to reduce energy from russian oil and gas. until then - go fuck yourself.

You need to have some kind of an authority to argue like this. E.g. did you do anything about it? But even then it takes a special kind of stupid to behave like this.

yes, i've donated to ukrainian army that is fighting to stop the fascist russian scourge and i'm helping to coordinate delivery of humanitarian aid so that people aren't dying because of fascist russian scourge. all of that hopefully helps ukraine last enough for russia to collapse and become a dead wasteland with no oil or gas exports.

what are you doing again?

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Doesn't matter what they think or acknowledge. If they set foot in a country that supports those convictions, they can be arrested.

If who exactly sets foot in a country that recognizes the convictions? No country is going to try to start a war with Russia by detaining their President.

Once Putin is detained the war will end. At the very least a condemnation/conviction in absence will be another prestige blow, if that's possible. Germany started an independent proceeding btw: Once you violate the sovereignty of other countries and or human rights, you lose your own formal indefeasibility. It's called "Weltrecht".

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Operators of nuclear plant are civilians. They are not part of force. Civilians can be captured, they cannot surrender, because nobody asks them to do that. I never heard that police or army asks somebody unarmed to surrender.

Really? You have never heard anyone ever describe regular citizens surrendering to the invader? I feel like you are arguing a technicality here - if you are faced with people with guns of course you'd say "I surrender" even if technically that's not what you're doing.

Keep in mind, not everyone here speaks English proficiently or primarily. Nuances in definitions can lead to widely different interpretations.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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So, aside from the obvious nature of messing around with Nuclear generating station being an idiotic move. From a tactical move for Russia - clearly they want the generating station offline to cause further chaos in Ukraine and that it supplies 1/6 of the power I believe(?). Was the generating station fighting to say online / not surrender or did Russia just show up guns blazing? It's clearly a tactically important s…

I know I'm steelmanning like a crazy person right now, but a valid reason for Russia to seize those power plants might be to prevent Ukrainians from using them as huge dirty bombs in a desperate last strike.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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This has been a real reckoning for me, as somebody who has historically been very pro-nuclear. Quite simply, humanity is too good at screwing things up to harness such a fundamentally powerful and dangerous source of power. It requires a commitment to long lasting peace and stability that we're just not capable of.

I used to be in in favour of nuclear. Nuclear works if you can guarantee political stability for 100+ years, but here in South Africa we can't even keep our coal plants running, nevermind guarantee political stability for 28 years (last year in June we suffered riots).

The risk of nuclear fallout is still relatively "localised", however that risk is dwarfed by the cost of disrupting centralised power production. A few nuclear plants are easy targets in the event of a war.

Distributed solar and concentrated solar w/molten salt seem like good options.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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The Chernobyl reactor suffered a steam explosion that destroyed the containment chamber and lead to an open air reactor core fire. Fukushima suffered several hydrogen gas explosions that also caused explosive venting of radioactive material and severe structural damage. So yes nuclear plants can explode extremely violently and that can disperse huge quantities of radioactive material. They’re not nuclear detonations…

You're literally arguing the same points I made: + It's not the fission material that explodes (like in a bomb) + The explosion is relatively small + Radiation is then dispersed to the wider area via atmospheric or tidal conditions (like smoke drifting) rather than as a direct result of the explosion All points I was making too. > but the consequences can still be catastrophic and as at Chernobyl the fallout can be s…

I disagree on the conclusion that damage to a nuclear reactor is a 'slow risk'. The Chernobyl explosion and open rector core fire, which spewed vast quantities of radioactive material into the atmosphere, occurred within a few hours and minutes of the mistakes that triggered them. It's plausible to imagine a few artillery shells into a plant's cooling system could lead to a similar chain of events and a catastrophic explosive contamination event.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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But then he got replaced 4 years later. Unlike what happened in Russia.

Definitely a strong case for term limits. If Putin had left after 8 years, he would now be considered a great president. He wasn't perfect, but he stabilised the Russian economy after the bankruptcy of the 1990s. He could have left a great legacy, but his addiction to power has become his ruin. And quite possibly that of Ukraine and Russia.

Didn’t Putin get his term limits removed? He did stick to them initially when his PM Medvedev was President.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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You need to have some kind of an authority to argue like this. E.g. did you do anything about it? But even then it takes a special kind of stupid to behave like this.

yes, i've donated to ukrainian army that is fighting to stop the fascist russian scourge and i'm helping to coordinate delivery of humanitarian aid so that people aren't dying because of fascist russian scourge. all of that hopefully helps ukraine last enough for russia to collapse and become a dead wasteland with no oil or gas exports. what are you doing again?

I asked what are you doing to stop the world's dependance on russian gas because you brought it up in. Considering you are avoiding the answer in an emotionally charged way I bet the answer is nothing and that you own at least two motor vehicles and heat your home on natural gas (from Russia).
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