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Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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And now Russian forces have entered the building and are fighting inside.

Apparently Ukrainians have surrendered now. What a nerve wrecking situation. In the heat of the moment deciding when is the right time to surrender. Probably the smartest decision of the day.

Where do you get those news? Would you mind sharing the link?

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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I don't understand why? Are you saying that they needed to melt it down now because they can't do it later, even though you then say that it'll be a prime target for future bombing which will most likely lead to a meltdown?

Or do you mean that "meltdown" is a safe state that would secure the reactor against future bombing?

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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The risks of nuclear war from a NATO militarily intervention are far too high to even consider it. I’m sorry to say, but there is really nothing that could happen in Ukraine that would be bad enough for us to accept the risk of nuclear annihilation.

So any time a tin pot dictator wants to do whatever they want they just claim they'll use nukes and we let it ride?

Hm no that doesn’t sound good either. Alright nuclear annihilation it is! Too bad…

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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So, aside from the obvious nature of messing around with Nuclear generating station being an idiotic move. From a tactical move for Russia - clearly they want the generating station offline to cause further chaos in Ukraine and that it supplies 1/6 of the power I believe(?). Was the generating station fighting to say online / not surrender or did Russia just show up guns blazing?

It's clearly a tactically important source of energy for Ukraine.

Also - wouldn't it just be easier for Russia to destroy the substations nearby? I assume there would be some problems with all that excess power being generating if the substations were blown. The whole thing is pretty nuts.

I can't imagine being the ISO trying to balance the grid or ISO equivalent of the grid over there right now (amongst other impossible jobs/positions people are in Ukraine right now).

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Live stream from plant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYUT36YGOh8 Automated Radiation Monitoring system: https://www.npp.zp.ua/en/safety/arms

Just realised that the point I've made in response to a comment probably should be a level higher: Don't trust the radiation monitoring system , the actual monitoring system has been destroyed by a rocket impact three days ago. The monitoring system has been shot down on 1 Sep. Here is the statement from the Nuclear Agency in Ukraine: On March 1, 2022 at 11:40 as a result of rocket impact, the communication network o…

The link doesn't load right now (HN overload?) but I wonder, if the comms are down, shouldn't the system report "no data" as opposed to "all clear"? Why should there be an explicit warning about not trusting it when the system itself should easily be able to tell whether it's getting fresh data?

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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news spreading about "elevated radiation levels near the power plant" and the plant being on fire are also fake https://twitter.com/iaeaorg/status/1499562515340177416 #Ukraine regulator tells IAEA there has been no change reported in #radiation levels at the #Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant site. anyways, the news cycle nowadays and the misinformation is insane CNN literally reporting "Ukraine's Zaporizhzhia nuclear…

The hackernews crowd wants to pretend they are smarter than the facebookers who fall for fake news. But this is exactly what they do. Even though the original article is now updated to show the fire was not in the plant but outside its perimeter, you are downvoted and I was flagged for saying so. Even with ghost of kyiv nonsense making it extremely clear, western media/online nerds cannot accept that Ukraine is spewing out fake news. Out of desperation? understandably? Sure maybe. Still fake and you're still stupid for swallowing it

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Why not sign a pact saying "Nuclear Power Plants are Off Limits. Anyone caught messing around will be court martialled." It's quite naive I know but if you make the consequences very clear and extremely bad for the troops, it might really deter them. Or Russia is implementing a something similar to a scorch= the-earth policy.

This wasn't "messing around". For sure, that Russian unit was sent to capture the reactor. Wanting to control infrastructure like generators is an obvious and (fairly) rational strategic goal. Presumably the commander that ordered it felt it was worth the risk. That may not be a correct analysis (we'll see, I guess), but it surely wasn't done on a whim.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

#278

I do not understand, why are they fighting near the reactor? It only makes sense to keep troops of both sides away from something as dangerous.

Russia is trying to move northwards to Zaporizhzhia city. Leaving Ukrainian troops roaming freely in the Energodar town would have left their supply lines / flanks exposed, so they needed to drive in and clear troops out of the town (which mostly consists of a nuclear power plant).

I'm guessing the Ukrainian troops fell back to the nuclear power plant hoping they wouldn't get attacked there.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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If it provides 1/4 of the country's power, couldn't they leave the containment domes alone, and just hit the lines coming out of the plant? If you're the invading country, it'd be nice to have that power later when you're in charge, wouldn't it?

Doesn’t the power has to go somewhere. I don’t know what would happen to a nuclear power plant operating without a load to take the generated power. Maybe the steam just vents? Or bypasses a turbine? Hopefully it can operate without being connected to the outside, but I’m not sure.

Reactors can be shut down gracefully. The generated power can be shunted to ground from the turbines without risk.
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