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Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by GoodJokes » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 2:31 AM UTC

purple_ferret wrote: post #220

HL33tibCe7 wrote: post #148

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The risks of nuclear war from a NATO militarily intervention are far too high to even consider it. I’m sorry to say, but there is really nothing that could happen in Ukraine that would be bad enough for us to accept the risk of nuclear annihilation.

What would be the difference if Putin invaded a NATO state and NATO was forced to defend? What would be the difference if he starts losing the war and needs to kick it up a notch? Is there any less chance he'd use nukes? Serious question. Threatening nukes is a rational move. Actually using them is not.

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Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by betwixthewires » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 2:31 AM UTC

AeroNotix wrote: post #206

HL33tibCe7 wrote: post #148

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The risks of nuclear war from a NATO militarily intervention are far too high to even consider it. I’m sorry to say, but there is really nothing that could happen in Ukraine that would be bad enough for us to accept the risk of nuclear annihilation.

So any time a tin pot dictator wants to do whatever they want they just claim they'll use nukes and we let it ride?

Yes. That's why every tin pot dictator wants nukes.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by betwixthewires » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 2:32 AM UTC

AeroNotix wrote: post #209

merpnderp wrote: post #161

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How can anyone intervene when Russia has 6,400 nuclear weapons? It will provide no comfort in our final moments to know Russia is facing the same fate.

Speak for yourself.

You seem eager to die just to hurt someone you hate, do you think you're being rational?

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by stubish » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 2:33 AM UTC

Ukraine is an electricity exporter according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electrici... .

Is targeting electricity production a de-facto attack on EU infrastructure?

Would taking out Ukraine's electricity generation increase its dependence on Russia (who could sell it), and significantly increase the EU's dependence on Russian gas?

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by gt565k » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 2:35 AM UTC

news spreading about "elevated radiation levels near the power plant" and the plant being on fire are also fake https://twitter.com/iaeaorg/status/1499562515340177416

#Ukraine regulator tells IAEA there has been no change reported in #radiation levels at the #Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant site.

anyways, the news cycle nowadays and the misinformation is insane

CNN literally reporting "Ukraine's Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant is on fire, according to the mayor of a nearby town."

Which again, sensationalist title the plant itself is not on fire. CNN and FoxNews literally saying it's another Cherynobyl - "Fears of disaster greater than Chernobyl as Putin's forces attack largest atomic plant in Europe"

Idk man, I get it's a war and shit is serious, but the information overload of propaganda from all sides is insane and is really fucking with people's anxiety and mental state.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by dylan604 » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 2:35 AM UTC

Gare wrote: post #130

heavyset_go wrote: post #117

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Is there a map service you're using to find the radiation levels at your apartment?

Nope, it's from Geiger counter on my desk.

Good lord, I love the understatedness of this comment.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 2:36 AM UTC

joshschreuder wrote: post #226

nomel wrote: post #203

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You're making a pretty serious assumption that they're doing something haphazard rather than something calculated and planned. What's your reason for first assuming incompetence?

Does Hanlon’s Razor apply in times of war?

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Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by gt565k » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 2:38 AM UTC

dTal wrote: post #128

Daneel_ wrote: post #61

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“A government official told The Associated Press that elevated levels of radiation were detected near the site of the plant” Closest I could find on Bloomberg, from this page: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-03/refugee-c... But also in the same article: “..shells were falling directly on the Zaporizhzhia plant and had set fire to one of the facility's six reactors. That reactor is under renovation and…

I'm not sure how you get "at worst a small scale leak" from "fueled nuclear reactor actively on fire".

it's irresponsible sensationalist propaganda by MSM

the IAEA has already confirmed the plant is fine

https://twitter.com/iaeaorg/status/1499562515340177416

"#Ukraine tells IAEA that fire at site of #Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant has not affected “essential” equipment, plant personnel taking mitigatory actions."

I get it's a war, but I can't take the news cycle anymore. Full of unconfirmed BS. Ghost of Kyiv, Snake Island, etc.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by megous » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 2:38 AM UTC

stubish wrote: post #254

Ukraine is an electricity exporter according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electrici... . Is targeting electricity production a de-facto attack on EU infrastructure? Would taking out Ukraine's electricity generation increase its dependence on Russia (who could sell it), and significantly increase the EU's dependence on Russian gas?

Ukraine is not connected to EU grid, I believe. There was some agreement to connect it next year, recently.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by empressplay » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 2:38 AM UTC

AeroNotix wrote: post #209

merpnderp wrote: post #161

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How can anyone intervene when Russia has 6,400 nuclear weapons? It will provide no comfort in our final moments to know Russia is facing the same fate.

Speak for yourself.

Sorry dude, not going to happen, not in a million years.