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Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by Eduard »

Gustomaximus wrote: post #12

Live stream from plant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYUT36YGOh8 Automated Radiation Monitoring system: https://www.npp.zp.ua/en/safety/arms

Yeah, and here's the current meteorological data:

Air temperature 0 ℃ Wind N Wind speed 0 m/s Relative humidity 0 % Atmospheric pressure 0 mm Hg

... I hope that low pressure isn't from a vacuum bomb.

with the HN meme of AWS status pages reporting everything fine while AWS is down, here we have good evidence we cannot rely on this website reporting reliable data.

Here is the European Commission Radiation Map: https://remap.jrc.ec.europa.eu/

And here a volunteer map from Geiger counter manufacturer GQ Electronics: https://www.gmcmap.com/

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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doener wrote: post #98

Firefighter have access now: https://twitter.com/bnonews/status/1499555239351005194?s=21 https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1499555095817728023?s=21 "According to Andrey Tuz, spokesman of the press service of the nuclear power plant, there is no threat of radiation spread."

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Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by mianos »

slimsag wrote: post #56
jtbayly wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks. So what’s the historical norm on those numbers?

Can't say historical, but 1,000 μsv/year is the annual limit / point at which increase cancer risk exists. Fukushima disaster levels were 400,000 μSv/h at peak. Short term dose of 10,000 μSv causes radiation sickness but probably not death. Beyond that it gets worse.

I can say historically, background is 1,000-3,000 μsv a year depending where you live.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by renewiltord »

adastra22 wrote: post #107
jessriedel wrote: post #84

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It's not equivalent to nuclear war with Ukraine in either the sense of relative risk (for the reasons I gave) nor in the sense in which the term "nuclear weapons" is actually used. Russia intelligence agents poisoned Alexander Litvinenko with radioactive polonium, but this was not called a nuclear attack because that's not what the term means. One could argue, at most, that this would be equivalent to a radiological…

It is war, and it involves nuclear things. That’s what he meant by “literal sense,” I think.

Ah, behold, my fist is an atomic weapon because ultimately the damage it inflicts is because of the Coulomb repulsion force of the fist atoms with other atoms.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by dgemm »

hadlock wrote: post #118
lumost wrote: post #109

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The best containment domes won't survive persistent shelling. I can't conceive of a valid reason for shelling a nuclear power plant.

It's an awfully effective way to distract people from focusing on defending the perimeter of whatever city they're trying to defend

If they were to spring a leak then it would be impossible to hide their activity from the population at home, so my guess is that's something they would try to avoid.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by dTal »

Daneel_ wrote: post #61
ardit33 wrote: post #11

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Bloomberg. Futures are down as well Live feed of the shelling https://youtu.be/fYUT36YGOh8

“A government official told The Associated Press that elevated levels of radiation were detected near the site of the plant” Closest I could find on Bloomberg, from this page: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-03/refugee-c... But also in the same article: “..shells were falling directly on the Zaporizhzhia plant and had set fire to one of the facility's six reactors. That reactor is under renovation and…

I'm not sure how you get "at worst a small scale leak" from "fueled nuclear reactor actively on fire".

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by chirau »

megous wrote: post #82
megous wrote: post #33

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Well, I've been watching the video for a while before the fire started, and there was shooting going on towards the building that's on fire from the units stationed between the parking lots. Then there was/is fire. Then presumably firefighters arrived, were not let through and departed away.

Hmm, and the live stream got truncated, now it doesn't have the whole 3h history, but just 1 minute. Damn.

Apparently the whole unit 3 it was stopped automatically.

https://twitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/1499552200867164180?t...

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by Gare »

heavyset_go wrote: post #117
Gare wrote: post #55

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0.1 microsieverts (uSv) per hour is normal background radiation rate. Right now in my apartment (far from Ukraine) the dose rate is 0.12 uSv/h.

Is there a map service you're using to find the radiation levels at your apartment?

Nope, it's from Geiger counter on my desk.
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