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Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by ruined »

Aeolun wrote: post #176
jtsuken wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just realised that the point I've made in response to a comment probably should be a level higher: Don't trust the radiation monitoring system , the actual monitoring system has been destroyed by a rocket impact three days ago. The monitoring system has been shot down on 1 Sep. Here is the statement from the Nuclear Agency in Ukraine: On March 1, 2022 at 11:40 as a result of rocket impact, the communication network o…

Damn, maybe one of the sides should consider fixing that before they proceed with shooting at each other.

shooting is one of those things that you just gotta do first. hard to deprioritize

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by MichaelMoser123 »

https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2022/03/4/7328008/ (link in Russian, that's a big newspaper in Ukraine) the units of chechen warlord Kadyrov are fighting inside the building of the power station, and are said to be laying mines, as a means of exerting pressure. What could go wrong...

This kadyrov is totally mad, they introduced Sharia law in their chechen republic, and putin doesn't want to interfer with this madness, as he fears to provoke them and also needs them for his military adventures...

https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2022/03/4/7328011/ Zelensky made an announcement, if the power station explodes, then that's the end for Europe, the thing is six times bigger than Chernobyl.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by vkou »

dustintrex wrote: post #286
AeroNotix wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So any time a tin pot dictator wants to do whatever they want they just claim they'll use nukes and we let it ride?

Yup, as long as the tin pot dictator is attacking some country we don't really care about.

Bingo. Unfortunately NATO made it very clear to everyone over the past eight years that it's not going to spill blood over Ukraine.

... But now that the opportunity to trap Putin in a quagmire has presented itself, it does seem to be ready to flood the region with weapons. Had it done so at any point in the preceding eight years, war might well have been avoided.

Which leads me to think that avoiding war was never the goal.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by yabones »

This has been a real reckoning for me, as somebody who has historically been very pro-nuclear.

Quite simply, humanity is too good at screwing things up to harness such a fundamentally powerful and dangerous source of power. It requires a commitment to long lasting peace and stability that we're just not capable of.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by CoastalCoder »

ABeeSea wrote: post #267
chernevik wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that the potential effects of intervention run up to nuclear war -- never.

Isn’t intentionally causing a nuclear meltdown during war already nuclear war?

Not in the same sense people usually mean "nuclear war".

Swapping many ICBMs is a lot more deadly than letting one NPP go critical.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by mcguire »

anshumankmr wrote: post #213

Why not sign a pact saying "Nuclear Power Plants are Off Limits. Anyone caught messing around will be court martialled." It's quite naive I know but if you make the consequences very clear and extremely bad for the troops, it might really deter them. Or Russia is implementing a something similar to a scorch= the-earth policy.

The 1949 Geneva Convention bans attacks on nuclear power plants, dams, etc (with some conditions).

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by ratg13 »

boringg wrote: post #274

So, aside from the obvious nature of messing around with Nuclear generating station being an idiotic move. From a tactical move for Russia - clearly they want the generating station offline to cause further chaos in Ukraine and that it supplies 1/6 of the power I believe(?). Was the generating station fighting to say online / not surrender or did Russia just show up guns blazing? It's clearly a tactically important s…

The plant has been offline for some time due to renovation.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by cmeacham98 »

jliptzin wrote: post #310
boringg wrote: post #274

So, aside from the obvious nature of messing around with Nuclear generating station being an idiotic move. From a tactical move for Russia - clearly they want the generating station offline to cause further chaos in Ukraine and that it supplies 1/6 of the power I believe(?). Was the generating station fighting to say online / not surrender or did Russia just show up guns blazing? It's clearly a tactically important s…

Isn’t one major problem with nuclear is that it’s hard to shut down when you don’t need it? Hopefully they understand that

My understanding is that it's relatively easy to shut down, but costly/time consuming to start back up.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

ABeeSea wrote: post #301
vkou wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's not. We are arguing semantics.

Why isn’t it?

> Why isn’t it?

Because the effects of a nuclear meltdown are closer to that of a chemical attack and far away from that of a thermonuclear detonation. Blurry red lines cease to be lines.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by eyelidlessness »

Aeolun wrote: post #176
jtsuken wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just realised that the point I've made in response to a comment probably should be a level higher: Don't trust the radiation monitoring system , the actual monitoring system has been destroyed by a rocket impact three days ago. The monitoring system has been shot down on 1 Sep. Here is the statement from the Nuclear Agency in Ukraine: On March 1, 2022 at 11:40 as a result of rocket impact, the communication network o…

Damn, maybe one of the sides should consider fixing that before they proceed with shooting at each other.

I can’t speak to why you’ve been downvoted, but it might be worth considering the incentives to fight aren’t the same between the “sides”. One is fighting to survive an attack by the other. It’s difficult to maintain safety measures while people are trying to kill you.
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