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I agree that war is hell, but Ukrainians are smarter than that. They’re fighting to preserve their homeland, not shower it with radiation.
Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest
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Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest
#282Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's reassuring in that meltdown is very unlikely. But who the actual fuck shells a nuclear plant? That's not reassuring at all. It's also against international law.
Nobody shelled a nuclear plant. Russian forces drove into the parking lot of a nuclear plant, had two RPGs fired upon them from an administrative building and fired machine guns back at the administrative building. There were fires and after some time the fighting was sorted out and firefighters put out the fire.
All headlines are about Russians shelling a nuclear plant. You can say that's fake news, but at least provide a shred of evidence (like any article?).
> KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Russian forces pressed their attack on a crucial energy-producing Ukrainian city by shelling Europe’s largest nuclear plant early Friday, sparking a fire and raising fears that radiation could leak from the damaged power station.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-a3092d8e476949...
Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest
#283Ukraine is an electricity exporter according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electrici... . Is targeting electricity production a de-facto attack on EU infrastructure? Would taking out Ukraine's electricity generation increase its dependence on Russia (who could sell it), and significantly increase the EU's dependence on Russian gas?
No, Ukraine disconnected from Russia on 24 Feb (almost accidentally, interestingly) and has been running in island mode since.
Physical connections to the EU have been constructed, but they are not in sync so the actual connection has not been made yet.
Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest
#284Earlier quoted context omitted.
The risks of nuclear war from a NATO militarily intervention are far too high to even consider it. I’m sorry to say, but there is really nothing that could happen in Ukraine that would be bad enough for us to accept the risk of nuclear annihilation.
What would be the difference if Putin invaded a NATO state and NATO was forced to defend? What would be the difference if he starts losing the war and needs to kick it up a notch? Is there any less chance he'd use nukes? Serious question. Threatening nukes is a rational move. Actually using them is not.
In general, the side that cares about the conflict more is more likely to engage in direct conflict, and escalate to nuclear use if their goals are being thwarted by conventional war.
To Russia, Ukraine is a core interest, and thus they're the most likely to escalate to tactical nuclear weapons if NATO intervenes and Russia starts losing.
With a NATO country, that calculus changes, and if for some crazy reason Russia actually attacked a NATO country, we would have a good chance of being able to fight back and expel Russia's attack without the war going nuclear, because Russia has far less interest in winning that war, as existing NATO countries aren't core interests to Russia.
Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest
#285Earlier quoted context omitted.
I was only 4 during the Cuban Missile crisis, but I've talked to people who remember it and this sounds a lot like it.
Unironically, it is exactly that crisis that is key to understanding Russias actions right now, as there are many similar parallels. That, plus the 2.5T barrels worth of shale that Chevron and Exxon prospected underneath the Crimean peninsula. If Russia really did go to war over securing some natural resources and a geopolitical strategic location, over a false pretense of something like liberation, it would sound so…
Russia may or may not care for it's own wealth in the shale prospects, but it can't allow for Ukraine to have them. They've shown interest in being a western aligned democracy, and having such resource exports would make Ukraine much more wealthy. A wealthy, friendly Ukraine as an energy provider is much more attractive to Europe than Russia. They would have a much easier time being admitted to the EU and NATO, and it would be a severe blow to Russian pride and potentially economy, and the strategic position provided by being an energy exporter.
Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest
#286Earlier quoted context omitted.
The risks of nuclear war from a NATO militarily intervention are far too high to even consider it. I’m sorry to say, but there is really nothing that could happen in Ukraine that would be bad enough for us to accept the risk of nuclear annihilation.
So any time a tin pot dictator wants to do whatever they want they just claim they'll use nukes and we let it ride?
Yup, as long as the tin pot dictator is attacking some country we don't really care about.
Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest
#287news spreading about "elevated radiation levels near the power plant" and the plant being on fire are also fake https://twitter.com/iaeaorg/status/1499562515340177416 #Ukraine regulator tells IAEA there has been no change reported in #radiation levels at the #Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant site. anyways, the news cycle nowadays and the misinformation is insane CNN literally reporting "Ukraine's Zaporizhzhia nuclear…
The hackernews crowd wants to pretend they are smarter than the facebookers who fall for fake news. But this is exactly what they do. Even though the original article is now updated to show the fire was not in the plant but outside its perimeter, you are downvoted and I was flagged for saying so. Even with ghost of kyiv nonsense making it extremely clear, western media/online nerds cannot accept that Ukraine is spewi…
Snake Island - ukranian soldiers were actually captured not killed
Ghost of Kyiv ..
Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest
#288news spreading about "elevated radiation levels near the power plant" and the plant being on fire are also fake https://twitter.com/iaeaorg/status/1499562515340177416 #Ukraine regulator tells IAEA there has been no change reported in #radiation levels at the #Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant site. anyways, the news cycle nowadays and the misinformation is insane CNN literally reporting "Ukraine's Zaporizhzhia nuclear…
The hackernews crowd wants to pretend they are smarter than the facebookers who fall for fake news. But this is exactly what they do. Even though the original article is now updated to show the fire was not in the plant but outside its perimeter, you are downvoted and I was flagged for saying so. Even with ghost of kyiv nonsense making it extremely clear, western media/online nerds cannot accept that Ukraine is spewi…
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Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest
#289Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's an awfully effective way to distract people from focusing on defending the perimeter of whatever city they're trying to defend
If they were to spring a leak then it would be impossible to hide their activity from the population at home, so my guess is that's something they would try to avoid.
Elevated radiation levels originating from a significant distance away from measurement are not going to be the thing that breaks through the fog of Russian propaganda, for anyone who's along for that ride.
Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest
#290I do not understand, why are they fighting near the reactor? It only makes sense to keep troops of both sides away from something as dangerous.
If enemy troops are hiding there and shooting at you, what are your choices?