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Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by johnny22 » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 1:11 AM UTC

jmyeet wrote: post #131

jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

I'm all for emulating systems that don't exist anymore. But this commenter's level of naive entitlement is beyond obnoxious. A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?" In this case, Nintendo would cease to exist. Maybe you'd be happy about this. Plenty of people wouldn't. Switches are generally available and not that expensive. If you want to play Switch games, buy one. If you don't, don'…

Emulation is both fair and legal. Stealing the games themselves of course are not.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by philistine » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 1:13 AM UTC

jeroenhd wrote: post #18

jonny_eh wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Brand exclusives and a low console price are all it's got A lower price and better games is quite a lot actually.

It sure is, but the cost of ownership if the Switch is higher than that of the Steam deck. Games on Steam are cheap and plentiful. The quality requirements of the Nintendo's storefront are ridiculously low. I've seen footage of the Switch WWE game and frankly it should never have been allowed into any store front, let alone the one people expect to be better. There are plenty of platformers out there, but only one co…

Are all games the same to you? The Switch offers unique, and not so unique, games. Which they sell at a price of their choosing.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by evanextreme » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 1:15 AM UTC

jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

comparing the switch to the deck is akin to comparing a ps5 to a top of the line pc, in terms of both UX, time / effort required to run games, price, etc. consoles are _always_ underpowered and restricted in terms of graphical capabilities compared to computers, but the minimal amount of effort required, exclusive game library, and significantly lower price point (all of which the switch have over the deck) keep the market incredibly successful at least in north america. keep in mind, a lot of people like to play their switch connected to a television using the dock, a feature which will generally cost you an additional 150 bucks to play on the deck ($100 deck dock, $60 wireless bluetooth controller). not to say the deck isnt a fantastic product, i am absolutely getting one, but there's a reason the console market is still booming and hasnt eradicated the console market despite being the "superior platform". they fill separate needs

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by freedomben » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 1:16 AM UTC

dolni wrote: post #141

jmyeet wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm all for emulating systems that don't exist anymore. But this commenter's level of naive entitlement is beyond obnoxious. A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?" In this case, Nintendo would cease to exist. Maybe you'd be happy about this. Plenty of people wouldn't. Switches are generally available and not that expensive. If you want to play Switch games, buy one. If you don't, don'…

> A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?" This is an awful rule to live by. There are very few things in the world that _everyone_ would actually do.

I think you're taking it to literally. This is a reference to Kant's famous Categorical Imperative, and it's intended as a framework/rule which you can judge the ethicality behind a particular action. IMHO it's really one of the most beautiful and enlightening philosophical ideas out there.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by aaomidi » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 1:22 AM UTC

remram wrote: post #99

aaomidi wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still don't understand why Google went on the route of proactively removing content rather than reactively.

That is part of the DMCA (the act, not the "DMCA notice" often shortened "DMCA"). In exchange for not being liable for the copyright infringement ("safe harbor"), the service provider (here YouTube) has to act on notices right away. The user files a counterclaim if that was wrong. In short, it's not YouTube's (or GitHub's, etc) call, this is part of the agreement with copyright holders (the DMCA copyright law). Don't…

Right, that's what I mean. I wish they only did DMCA rather than the bullshit they do now.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by fomine3 » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 1:28 AM UTC

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #138

saltminer wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the games that have cartridges, sure. When I bought a "physical copy" of Puyo Puyo Tetris, I thought it would be a cartridge but it was just a code to redeem inside a case. Waste of plastic if you ask me.

Respectfully, if you read the box it's pretty clear what you're getting. What annoys me more are cartridges that (literally) require an additional online download. But even then, game covers are pretty clear about the requirement. I avoid those games.

It makes you able to resale!

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by toastercat » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 1:29 AM UTC

jmyeet wrote: post #131

jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

I'm all for emulating systems that don't exist anymore. But this commenter's level of naive entitlement is beyond obnoxious. A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?" In this case, Nintendo would cease to exist. Maybe you'd be happy about this. Plenty of people wouldn't. Switches are generally available and not that expensive. If you want to play Switch games, buy one. If you don't, don'…

> A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?" In this case, Nintendo would cease to exist. Maybe you'd be happy about this. Plenty of people wouldn't. Switches are generally available and not that expensive. If you want to play Switch games, buy one. If you don't, don't

Sorry, but what is "X"? Emulation? If everyone emulated Nintendo games, we don't really know that Nintendo would cease to exist, but they probably would not cease to exist because plenty of folks who emulate Nintendo games still buy Nintendo products, because they are, you know, Nintendo fans. :)

> And failing that if you want to just steal, then just steal. But what really rubs me the wrong way is when people who have chosen to steal start moralizing their position like they're standing up for some vague rights or principles.

What really rubs me the wrong way is when commenters on HN paint people who use emulators as thieves, and emulator developers as enablers of theft, and nothing more. The irony here is that you're doing moral posturing yourself in this comment. The commenter you responded to never mentioned piracy. The article in question never mentioned piracy. So if by "X" you meant "piracy", well, nice strawman, otherwise you're equivocating emulation with piracy, which is wrong.

EDIT: By the way, a great reason to emulate Switch games is to experience them at higher resolutions and higher framerates. Thought you should know, not everyone does it to save a few bucks.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by maximus-decimus » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 1:31 AM UTC

jmyeet wrote: post #131

jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

I'm all for emulating systems that don't exist anymore. But this commenter's level of naive entitlement is beyond obnoxious. A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?" In this case, Nintendo would cease to exist. Maybe you'd be happy about this. Plenty of people wouldn't. Switches are generally available and not that expensive. If you want to play Switch games, buy one. If you don't, don'…

They would not stop to exist if they just sole the roms themselves.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by tvb12 » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 1:32 AM UTC

causality0 wrote: post #46

shmerl wrote: post #4

Someone is scared Switch got competition that can run Nintendo games that even Switch itself can't.

I wonder how the Steam Deck does with Switch games that run notoriously poorly, like Age of Calamity.

I'd be interested to know how it does with Breath of the Wild as well. Animal Crossing, too. We own both games, but the Switch's long load times hamper my fun. It's especially a problem in Animal Crossing. Last time I looked, it took an uncommonly powerful computer to emulate BoTW, but I haven't looked in a long time.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by mkdirp » Fri, Mar 04, 2022, 1:35 AM UTC

jmyeet wrote: post #131

jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

I'm all for emulating systems that don't exist anymore. But this commenter's level of naive entitlement is beyond obnoxious. A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?" In this case, Nintendo would cease to exist. Maybe you'd be happy about this. Plenty of people wouldn't. Switches are generally available and not that expensive. If you want to play Switch games, buy one. If you don't, don'…

> A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?"

For example: "What would happen if all companies blocked individuals from doing what they want with the hardware they bought?" You get a hacking community and people imprisoned for the unlocked hardware they paid for. Not to mention a whole lot of ewaste that could otherwise work for years.

No, that's not a good example. How about this one: "What would happen if all companies opened up their hardware and stopped forcing people to upgrade for no reason?" Eutopia, that's what! Less ewaste. Less consumerism. People can actually use the hardware they paid for the way they want to use it.

This argument has been (ab)used since piracy has been a thing. I'm not aware of any company going under directly because of piracy, especially not just because of emulators. If there is one, I'd love to know, but even so, the numbers is negligible. Also, emulation is not the same piracy. While emulation can be used for piracy, it is not the main use case.

Corporations like Nintendo are not your friend.