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Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by endisneigh »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #45
endisneigh wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, of course Nintendo would hate piracy. You might say emulation can be used with legit roms, or roms for games you’ve purchased, but let’s be honest. The fact Nintendo even exists at all in the face of competitors orders of magnitude bigger is impressive. Nintendo’s position is and always will be that you can only play their games on their platforms.

> You might say emulation can be used with legit roms, or roms for games you’ve purchased, but let’s be honest. I have an actual physical NES, SNES, Genesis, N64, Gamecube, and Wii, along with games. The NES and SNES don't reliably run games anymore. I expect the others to eventually follow. And emulation provides better graphics, better features, portability (e.g. playing on a device you can travel with), creativity…

> So yes, emulation can be used with games you actually own, and doing so has great advantages.

I'm not denying that is one use case, what I'm saying is that it's very unlikely it's the regular one.

Nintendo's argument is basically that even if that were true, just because you purchased it once doesn't give you the right to it indefinitely. You might disagree with that, but that's their stance (when you buy e-Shop games you don't even get access across Nintendo consoles).

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by saltminer »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #35
jeroenhd wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sure is, but the cost of ownership if the Switch is higher than that of the Steam deck. Games on Steam are cheap and plentiful. The quality requirements of the Nintendo's storefront are ridiculously low. I've seen footage of the Switch WWE game and frankly it should never have been allowed into any store front, let alone the one people expect to be better. There are plenty of platformers out there, but only one co…

I think you're comparing Apples with Oranges when you mention the price of Switch games. Sure, a three year-old Pokemon game might still cost $40, but you have a cartridge you can resell and get almost all of that money back (or even more, if you're happy to wait a few years). With Steam, every dollar you spend is gone forever.

For the games that have cartridges, sure. When I bought a "physical copy" of Puyo Puyo Tetris, I thought it would be a cartridge but it was just a code to redeem inside a case. Waste of plastic if you ask me.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by newbie789 »

beebmam wrote: post #24
jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

And out of all this, by far the most unethical thing Nintendo has ever done is refuse to release an English-language translation of Mother 3. I'll never forgive them for this, and I decided long ago I'll never buy another one of their products until they release it.

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Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by Paianni »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #45
endisneigh wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, of course Nintendo would hate piracy. You might say emulation can be used with legit roms, or roms for games you’ve purchased, but let’s be honest. The fact Nintendo even exists at all in the face of competitors orders of magnitude bigger is impressive. Nintendo’s position is and always will be that you can only play their games on their platforms.

> You might say emulation can be used with legit roms, or roms for games you’ve purchased, but let’s be honest. I have an actual physical NES, SNES, Genesis, N64, Gamecube, and Wii, along with games. The NES and SNES don't reliably run games anymore. I expect the others to eventually follow. And emulation provides better graphics, better features, portability (e.g. playing on a device you can travel with), creativity…

Old hardware is often repairable/refurbish-able though.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by threeseed »

lostgame wrote: post #21
endisneigh wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, of course Nintendo would hate piracy. You might say emulation can be used with legit roms, or roms for games you’ve purchased, but let’s be honest. The fact Nintendo even exists at all in the face of competitors orders of magnitude bigger is impressive. Nintendo’s position is and always will be that you can only play their games on their platforms.

>> Nintendo’s position is and always will be that you can only play their games on their platforms. We all felt the same way about SEGA in the early 90’s…

And people have been talking about Nintendo's demise since the early 90's.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by humanistbot »

TheDong wrote: post #25
0x500x79 wrote: post #3

There should be more accountability for incorrect DMCAs. I see why Nintendo is doing this, but it is wrong. Nintendo is famous for reselling old games on each and every new platform they build and this takes away that revenue. According to a thread on Reddit this video only showed emulators and not ROMs. Pretty wild that there is no accountability for these actions.

> this video only showed emulators and not ROMs It is probably still in violation of the DMCA. The DMCA also makes illegal tools that are primarily intended for circumvention, which these emulators almost certainly are. But, even moreso, removals of videos on youtube are typically not done through the DMCA directly, but rather through a private extra-judicial system youtube manages (content-id et al). Of course youtu…

> It is probably still in violation of the DMCA. The DMCA also makes illegal tools that are primarily intended for circumvention, which these emulators almost certainly are.

Nope. Emulators do not circumvent copy protection. When a ROM maker is extracting the game content from the original version, they are breaking copy protection. The ROM file they create and distribute does not have copy protection, so the emulator does not need to include copy protection circumvention.

> But, even moreso, removals of videos on youtube are typically not done through the DMCA directly, but rather through a private extra-judicial system youtube manages (content-id et al).

These are not, which is the point. Nintendo is doing this intentionally with their own DMCA takedowns. These aren't accidental false positives picked up by content id.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by Lascaille »

staticman2 wrote: post #22
jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

Switch has better battery life than Deck, has a supply chain which is actually able to aquire parts in mass quantities and sell to a large number of customers, and is more user friendly than any PC will ever be. I'll be buying a Deck in a few months when my preorder is ready to ship, but it's a niche product for tech enthusiasts while Nintendo makes mass market products for the general public.

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Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by forgotmyoldacc »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #45
endisneigh wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, of course Nintendo would hate piracy. You might say emulation can be used with legit roms, or roms for games you’ve purchased, but let’s be honest. The fact Nintendo even exists at all in the face of competitors orders of magnitude bigger is impressive. Nintendo’s position is and always will be that you can only play their games on their platforms.

> You might say emulation can be used with legit roms, or roms for games you’ve purchased, but let’s be honest. I have an actual physical NES, SNES, Genesis, N64, Gamecube, and Wii, along with games. The NES and SNES don't reliably run games anymore. I expect the others to eventually follow. And emulation provides better graphics, better features, portability (e.g. playing on a device you can travel with), creativity…

Is it difficult to notice that you're in the minority here?

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by cassac »

user_7832 wrote: post #19
jonny_eh wrote: post #12

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> Brand exclusives and a low console price are all it's got A lower price and better games is quite a lot actually.

> A lower price and better games is quite a lot actually. Lower price, yes, but better games? Different games, sure but I wouldn't call them better given that it can run almost everything a windows PC can.

Yes, better games. Nintendo first party titles from their Zelda, Mario and Mario Kart franchises are consistently among the best games for their time period with some of the biggest appeal across the gamer spectrums. If I could choose only one system it would be the switch easily. If only it had Valheim on it I would never put it down.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by monksy »

ascar wrote: post #47
hombre_fatal wrote: post #26

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Switch has an e-shop with expensive games that will eventually get offlined within a couple generations like the ones before it vs. Steam, an e-shop with every game, for cheaper, including all the games people bought over the last two decades. I can imagine how disruptive a successful Steam entry into the console space could be once people realize they are tired of "renting" $60 games from ad-hoc console e-shops.

I have to disagree hard on this. Nintendo was on the forefront of making old games playable on the new hardware. On the switch you can play many old SNES and N64 classics included in the Nintendo online subscription at ~2-4€ a month. They re-released childhood favorites like Zelda Ocarina of Times and Super Mario 64 on the 3DS and I actually bought the 3DS (in a special Zelda variant no less) just for that and Majora…

If you have to pay a subscription and that's the only way to play the classics there.. that's not free
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