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Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

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Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

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Post by nigerian1981 »

pastor_bob wrote: post #160
nigerian1981 wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s the difference between what Russia is doing and America’s illegal invasion of Iraq. Why weren’t American athletes banned?

Russians have been carpet bombing innocent Syrians for years. Even using thermobarbic bombs against them, with no sanctioning from the West. Obviously the middle east is of little consequence in these discussions for all parties.

You’re not wrong there. The BBC interviewed a former deputy prosecutor general of Ukraine, who told the network: “It’s very emotional for me because I see European people with blue eyes and blond hair … being killed every day.” Rather than question or challenge the comment, the BBC host flatly replied, “I understand and respect the emotion.”

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway5752 wrote: post #139
moralestapia wrote: post #118

I am always deeply disappointed with how little civic and ethical values the average person has left. Whenever the common narrative finds a way to blame something or someone, the collective dehumanizes the target in a way that's quite terrifying, actually. People love to parrot about how "dictators are bad", "hitler was bad", etc, but when they find themselves in trivial situations where they have to show what they'r…

This is in reaction to a much greater moral outrage: thousands of dead Ukrainian civilians because of an unprovoked Russian invasion. One can either 1) sanction Russia (which impacts all Russians) 2) partially sanction (which is unavoidably subjective and abusable) or 3) not sanction Russia. This is a case of 1, based on the source link, "Norway announce that no Russian players will be able to play in the 2022 editio…

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Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

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Post by rosndo »

endisneigh wrote: post #32
wedn3sday wrote: post #16

It doesnt matter if the person themselves opposes the Ukrainian invasion, the person is representing Russia. Is it the tournament organizers job to vet the political views of every single participant to make sure they're sufficiently anti-putin? Blocking Russian participants isnt about blocking the individual people, its about sending a blanket statement across the board.

If that were actually the issue they’d be allowed to play, but not on behalf of Russia. Though I’m curious - how much time in your opinion has to pass before Russians are allowed to participate again? If actions have to be taken, which ones? If actions can be taken to allow them to participate then in a sense is that saying the actions are sufficient to compensate for the senseless killing of Ukrainians? If no time o…

> Though I’m curious - how much time in your opinion has to pass before Russians are allowed to participate again? If actions have to be taken, which ones?

Not until the government has changed or reparations have been paid.

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

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Post by ars »

bjourne wrote: post #95

But Saudi Arabia can bomb Yemen for years and Israel Palestine for decades without repercussions? I'm all for sanctions against Russia but the hypocrisy here is so thick you couldn't cut it with a knife.

Are you obsessed with Israel or something? This isn't the first time I've seen your comments about Israel, and your submission history is just full of this topic.

Israel isn't "bombing Palestinies for decades". They're fighting back when Palestinians attack them (why did you gloss over Palestinians bombing Israel?), then there's quiet for a while, and then more fighting.

The Israeli/Palestinian relationship is very complicated with enormous history, and claims by both sides. Just because you can't distinguish it from Russia/Ukraine doesn't mean others can't.

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

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Post by ladon86 »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #166
Miner49er wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Though I’m curious - how much time in your opinion has to pass before Russians are allowed to participate again? I think the idea in this case is that since many Ukranians can't play, Russians shouldn't be able to either. So I would think the sanctions would end when Ukraine isn't fighting anymore, and can participate again. That's at least the IOC's stance. [0] [0] https://olympics.com/ioc/news/ioc-eb-recommends-n…

But no Ukrainian was banned from playing? Were any even invited?

You're right! The only fair solution is to drop Grischuk in central Kyiv; if he survives the journey to Norway and arrives on time, he should be allowed to play.

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

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Post by Jcowell »

trhway wrote: post #162
RustyBucket wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is how you step on a path of a genocide ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide )

Genocide and ethnic cleansing is already in full swing. Too late for "step on a path". As a Russian immigrant in US, i support kicking out from US or any other country any Russian who wouldn't condemn in straight clear words Putin's fascist regime and the genocide it conducts in Ukraine. Anything less is just a support of what is going on. For any public figure it is doubly so. Grischuk didn't even use the word "war"…

This comment makes me think of a piece of relevant literature who’s television adaption is about to end called Shingeki no Kyojin or it’s English translation “Attack on Titan”. I wonder what the reaction of the upcoming episodes will be as the Russian Invasion continues.

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Post by plandis »

wedn3sday wrote: post #16

It doesnt matter if the person themselves opposes the Ukrainian invasion, the person is representing Russia. Is it the tournament organizers job to vet the political views of every single participant to make sure they're sufficiently anti-putin? Blocking Russian participants isnt about blocking the individual people, its about sending a blanket statement across the board.

What is the purpose of the ban? Is it really doing anything to undermine Russia’s leadership? My guess is that this harms chess players who happen to be Russian but who have no control over the government and doesn’t do anything to hinder the actual Russian government in any meaningful way.

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

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Post by aaomidi »

plandis wrote: post #178
wedn3sday wrote: post #16

It doesnt matter if the person themselves opposes the Ukrainian invasion, the person is representing Russia. Is it the tournament organizers job to vet the political views of every single participant to make sure they're sufficiently anti-putin? Blocking Russian participants isnt about blocking the individual people, its about sending a blanket statement across the board.

What is the purpose of the ban? Is it really doing anything to undermine Russia’s leadership? My guess is that this harms chess players who happen to be Russian but who have no control over the government and doesn’t do anything to hinder the actual Russian government in any meaningful way.

Yeah as an Iranian, I have experience with these sort of decisions and they are discriminatory and an excuse for xenophobia. I never chose where I was born. I left the second I could. Holding me to my birthplace is just as fucked as having a "no Browns allowed" sign.

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

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Post by s1artibartfast »

ladon86 wrote: post #176
s1artibartfast wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But no Ukrainian was banned from playing? Were any even invited?

You're right! The only fair solution is to drop Grischuk in central Kyiv; if he survives the journey to Norway and arrives on time, he should be allowed to play.

Not every Ukrainian is located in Kyiv. There are Ukrainians living abroad, that have left Ukraine, and have the ability to leave Ukraine.

Why is the standard an imaginary Ukrainian grandmaster currently trapped or engaged in fighting?

Perhaps they should cancel it for everyone because this imaginary person can't make it. After all it is also unfair that people can travel from Germany and the US while the imaginary Ukrainian can't.

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