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Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

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Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

#31

Gotta love how discrimination is so easily spread. Like, this guy has said very many times in public that he doesn’t support the invasion, but he’s Russian, y’know? It’s sad how humanity just keeps doing the same thing over and over…

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The solution is obviously to punish those causing the harm directly, no?

Obviously much easier said than done. Also not sure why you’re mentioning America here - the article is about Norway

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

#32

It doesnt matter if the person themselves opposes the Ukrainian invasion, the person is representing Russia. Is it the tournament organizers job to vet the political views of every single participant to make sure they're sufficiently anti-putin? Blocking Russian participants isnt about blocking the individual people, its about sending a blanket statement across the board.

If that were actually the issue they’d be allowed to play, but not on behalf of Russia.

Though I’m curious - how much time in your opinion has to pass before Russians are allowed to participate again? If actions have to be taken, which ones?

If actions can be taken to allow them to participate then in a sense is that saying the actions are sufficient to compensate for the senseless killing of Ukrainians? If no time or actions can be taken then are we ok with indefinitely ostracizing a group of people? What of their children?

Earth has already been down that road, it’s not really great. Best to just punish those who directly contributed to the things with disagree with.

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

#34
post #8

Gotta love how discrimination is so easily spread. Like, this guy has said very many times in public that he doesn’t support the invasion, but he’s Russian, y’know? It’s sad how humanity just keeps doing the same thing over and over…

In the domain of Mixed Martial Arts there's a discussion over whether to permit Russian nationals to have fights, even though the majority of Russian nationals in MMA are from colonized ethnic groups who live in the southern Russian republics, e.g. Chechnya, Dagestan, etc. Amateur wrestling would be completely fucked if it were to conceive and follow through on such a ban given the hegemony in amateur wrestling these…

>Chechnya

Even if the invasion had never happened boycotting Chechnya would have been acceptable given their previous actions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechnya#LGBT_rights

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

#35
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't understandable really. What is happening here is discrimination and can't be justified. Unless they have some proof that they are a spy or as an extension of Russian government for a dangerous intent, then there is no excuse. This is only going to create more conflict and tension, and generate hatred in people that would otherwise be neutral.

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Oh, please. Ethically, they should have a justification to their actions.

If they get to kick people out for their nationality (when that person is not "representing" a nation) then I get to think they're foolish.

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

#36
It is a sucky situation without any perfect solutions. Banning all Russian athletes is a clear decision. Judging everyone based on their individual reactions to the invasion is just not a scalable solution, and probably also puts those who speak out in greater danger.

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

#37

This initially may seem like unproductive, mistargeted overreaction. However, consider that if Russians can't do what they want to do, maybe they'll focus more efforts on fixing their country so it stops the invasion and doesn't do something like this ever again. It may not work, but every Russian needs to be thinking about that, with priority over their jobs and hobbies. Making things painful for them is one way to…

Imagine if Americans were held to the same standard with respect to the American invasion and occupation of Iraq.

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

#39
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Working class Russians are not the problem either, yet the sanctions penalise them the most.

And that usually plays to the advantage of the elite. Now the working class has only one supporter, the Russian government. Their propaganda of "west hates you" feels very real to them now. This is quite age old tactic that usually doesn't work, punishing civilians in the war usually does not demoralize them, but works against the aggressor. Same can be said about these sanctions. Why would they trust the west if we…

>Now the working class has only one supporter, the Russian government.

They have only one enemy, the Russian government.

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

#40
post #4

Not sure why the title is about Grischuk specifically, Norway Chess banned all Russian players. Which sucks given that many of these players have spoken up against what Russia is doing. Seems like they're being penalized unnecessarily.

Karpov and Karjakin support Putin.
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