Trapped in Silicon Valley’s hidden caste system • Hacker News Board

Re: Trapped in Silicon Valley’s hidden caste system

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Post by random314 » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 9:36 AM UTC

diebeforei485 wrote: post #558

random314 wrote: post #517

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I confused you with the OP. Unfortunately, I cannot edit my comment. Apologies for that. Going back to the original comment- I was making it clear that nobody needs to pat someone on the back to figure out if they are brahmins - you can tell from the last names. I dont really know the castes of my friends except Brahmins, because they keep informing me. 1. Tamil brahmins - any domestic post on Facebook has a referenc…

> Of course, there must be brahmins amongst my friends where I don't know about their caste. But the only friends who have brought up their caste voluntarily were brahmins. Yes, this is called selection bias. In what context did your friends talk about their caste? I'm still not sure what you suggest about people's last names. This is not unique, it's also true for the last names of all sorts of people who have faced…

The point is that no one apart from brahmins amongst my colleagues and friends bring up their caste. And absolutely no one asks fhem about their caste. In my managers case he brought up his own skin color in the presence of several reports and segued into his caste.

And I have not asked anyone to change their name. All I did was refute the fake allegation against the Indian Christians patting the back of brahmins to figure out their caste. For anyone coming from India this is a hilariously absurd lie.

Re: Trapped in Silicon Valley’s hidden caste system

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Post by random314 » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 9:42 AM UTC

asmy wrote: post #495

thowaway_2mar wrote: post #231

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^ typical Chinese Is it not racist?

I don't know how you see it as racist. He meant they have the same material standards as the average Chinese person (from the PRC)

If you check his comment history he has been trying to pin caste discrimination on the tiny Indian Christian community - 1% of the population. Indian right wing is focused on promoting Hindu exceptionalism.

As my comments go against the Hindu exceptionalism narrative, he is trying to discredit my comments in whichever way possible.

Re: Trapped in Silicon Valley’s hidden caste system

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Post by mama123 » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 10:03 AM UTC

dash2 wrote: post #524

mama123 wrote: post #463

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Many Poor muslims just as many poor Indian are now getting electricity, subsidised toilets, zero balance bank accounts, direct benefits transfer for the first time under BJP rule. Many muslim women are for the first time are freed from triple talaq. Their life is certainly far better than the muslims in Pakistan, so much so that many parts of Pakistan are revolting and claiming to want to reunite with India. Whatever…

“The pattern of hate crimes committed against Muslims with seeming impunity – many of them in states where the Bharatiya Janata Party is in power – is deeply worrying. Unfortunately both the Prime Minister and various Chief Ministers have done little to show that they disapprove of this violence” https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/06/india-hate-cr... “ In December, Uttar Pradesh police arbitrarily arrested 1…

In many parts of India muslims block off roads and public spaces to "offer namaz". This is illegal in may islamic countries in the Middle East.

Many countries in "liberal" Europe have banned the hijab.

Amnesty is not a reliable source of anything.

When India bans namaz on the streets and hijab which I think it should, perhaps you can come back and make these complaints.

Islamists fear of BJP & Hindus might very well be true, since they are incapable of feeling guilt having killed or ethnically cleansed millions of Hindus from their homeland in Pakistan, Bangladesh or Kashmir, at least fear will keep them in check.

Re: Trapped in Silicon Valley’s hidden caste system

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Post by frontman1988 » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 10:11 AM UTC

programmer_dude wrote: post #465

frontman1988 wrote: post #464

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Changing surname doesn't change caste certificate. Otherwise millions of people would be turning into lower castes

> Changing surname Is just the first step. Bribing the right authorities is next. > Otherwise millions of people would be turning into lower castes How do you know they aren't already?

I have a kumar surname. Can you get me a Scheduled Caste/Tribe certificate? I am ready to pay a million rupees if you get it done.

Re: Trapped in Silicon Valley’s hidden caste system

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Post by mama123 » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 10:14 AM UTC

random314 wrote: post #517

diebeforei485 wrote: post #497

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I think you are directing your moral outrage at the wrong person.

I confused you with the OP. Unfortunately, I cannot edit my comment. Apologies for that. Going back to the original comment- I was making it clear that nobody needs to pat someone on the back to figure out if they are brahmins - you can tell from the last names. I dont really know the castes of my friends except Brahmins, because they keep informing me. 1. Tamil brahmins - any domestic post on Facebook has a referenc…

When people refer to themselves as TamBram, they are just referring to their heritage.

If you are offend by them carrying their tradition or culture that they have inherited for 100s of generation.

How would you then think of Indians named John or Mohamed? You know that, these political religions spread almost exclusively through violence and colonisation.

India is a strange country where it is ok to engage in hate against indigenous people/culture, yet political incorrect to even speak of the violent history of Christianity or Islam.

You are perhaps engaging in the same kind of hate the Nazis spread of the jews.

Re: Trapped in Silicon Valley’s hidden caste system

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Post by known » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 10:38 AM UTC

thowaway_2mar wrote: post #226

random314 wrote: post #203

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In India dalits are about 20%. In Silicon valley, I would be surprised if they are more than 2%. India is like 3 different countries when sliced by caste. The highest castes are about as privileged as the typical Chinese. The middle are at sub saharan Africa levels. The bottom 25% constitute probably the most deprived population in the world. Better off than the Rohingyas but not by too much. "Jay Bhim" is a great mo…

^ India is like 3 different countries when sliced by caste. The highest castes are about as privileged as the typical Chinese. The middle are at sub saharan Africa levels. The bottom 25% constitute probably the most deprived population in the world. Better off than the Rohingyas but not by too much. Not true, at all. It depends on your state of birth and the caste. A Dalit from a poor state like Bihar is underprivile…

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Re: Trapped in Silicon Valley’s hidden caste system

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Post by mama123 » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 11:40 AM UTC

aaxe wrote: post #549

mama123 wrote: post #463

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Many Poor muslims just as many poor Indian are now getting electricity, subsidised toilets, zero balance bank accounts, direct benefits transfer for the first time under BJP rule. Many muslim women are for the first time are freed from triple talaq. Their life is certainly far better than the muslims in Pakistan, so much so that many parts of Pakistan are revolting and claiming to want to reunite with India. Whatever…

Jesus christ, it's 2022 and you're legitimately arguing that BJP is helpful towards Muslims.

Caught between Mullahs & BJP, I am sure any sane Muslim will choose the BJP.

The only ones who hate BJP are also the Ashraf ones, who are worried about loosing their privileges.

Re: Trapped in Silicon Valley’s hidden caste system

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Post by aaxe » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 12:38 PM UTC

mama123 wrote: post #567

aaxe wrote: post #549

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Jesus christ, it's 2022 and you're legitimately arguing that BJP is helpful towards Muslims.

Caught between Mullahs & BJP, I am sure any sane Muslim will choose the BJP. The only ones who hate BJP are also the Ashraf ones, who are worried about loosing their privileges.

What a stupid choice.

BJP is literally diametrically opposed to Muslims. There may be a lot of shit Mullahs, but at least some care.

Re: Trapped in Silicon Valley’s hidden caste system

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Post by tpxl » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 12:42 PM UTC

jck wrote: post #344

unmole wrote: post #307

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> I am from “upper caste”. My experience might not be commonly heard perspective. In 10th grade of schooling, my parents changed my lastname to avoid that folks figure out the caste. Due to affirmative action (aka reservation) on steroids, upper caste were losing opportunities. My parents wanted to avoid that I lose out on selection, promotions.., where subjective discretion was involved. I'm sorry but this makes no…

You are right. This anti "affirmative action" rhetoric is quite common among upper caste people in India. Unless OP managed to get faked documents and pretended to be from a lower caste, they absolutely did not gain anything.

In the same way you don't gain anything in the US if you change your last name from a 'black' or 'jewish' or 'slavic' last name to something 'american'. That is people treat you differently, even though legally nothing has changed.

Re: Trapped in Silicon Valley’s hidden caste system

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Post by robinsoh » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 1:44 PM UTC

icelancer wrote: post #441

robinsoh wrote: post #411

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> I freely believe that the caste system of the host country carries over to the United States, Until relatively recently, the United States has always had a very strong strictly enforced caste system, even written into law, still the case in some Southern states. Some people were even allowed to buy and sell other types of people! As we can see some people are still allowed to kill certain types of other people with…

Okay? That has nothing to do with my point. I am merely agreeing with the article's thrust that the Indian caste system probably carries over to the US, but despite that, discrimination on the basis of race for employment is strictly prohibitive due to protected class statuses.

> Okay? That has nothing to do with my point.

I disagree. The phrasing you used implied that you believed the United States did not already have a caste system and that foreigners were bringing it to the US. This is factually incorrect since the US always had a very strict caste system pretty much from the inception of the nation only repealed recently, and even then still functionally present.