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Ukraine Government email to ICANN (requesting shutdown of .ru root DNS servers)

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AXFR global DNS zone transfer Usually blocked at the top level root server. However there have been incidents where such servers are misconfigured and allow it.

AXFR work totally fine on some root servers. Try b.root-servers.net.

That was the hint - here's the file: https://www.internic.net/domain/root.zone

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That's crap to fight climate change.

There are blockchains with low energy consumption profiles. Ethereum for its part is turning off energy-intensive PoW around July this year, to rely solely on its energy efficient PoS Beacon Chain for consensus.

OpenNIC exists you know.

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how does removing .ru dns cut the russian man-on-the-street from interational news and perspectives. dns is not ip addresses. all that means is russian websites would stop working via normal dns, not that ip addresses would stop routing and non .ru would continue to resolve normally. the only thing I can imagine is that it would cut them off because russia et al would then take the step to cut them off (which they so…

Regardless of what you think about this possible course of action, this is totally disingenuous. It’s like saying that 40 years ago removing some businesses from the yellow pages didn’t mean you couldn’t still call them - that’s technically correct, but you’d better have them in your address book already or know someone who does. Compound that problem with 1) needing a much bigger address book, 2) phone numbers chang…

.ru isn’t the Yellow Pages, Google is

.ru is like one area code

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The revolution of internet as knowledge transmission platform is as important as was in the past the invention of writing or the print by Gutenberg. It accelareted our technological and scientific advancement for the mankind by an order of magnitude like the ones seen after the adoption these two previous inventions. Denying such key technological shift to a whole group of people is the equivalent of cultural, technological and intellectual genocide. The objective of the proposal to remove the .ru top domain name is nothing less than that.

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This is ridiculous. International news don’t live under .ru, nor do many of the independent medias like MEDUZA. Bill might be a smart guy, but this is a big time brain fart from him. Everybody makes mistakes.

Perhaps it’s because Bill has actually read the entire request, not just the summary headline, and extrapolated the multifaceted consequences, of which “can’t resolve foo.ru” is just the tip of an iceberg.

I too read the entire request, it’s unnecessarily rude of you to suggest otherwise.

Shutting down root nameservers inside Russia would not impact Russian citizens ability to resolve domain names.

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The Ukrainian govt will try anything they possibly can and all props to them. But the rest of the world needs to be very very careful how we handle such a delicate situation.

Situation is not delicate - it is brutal.

This is brutal too: https://twitter.com/i/events/1498630307024711684 This is what we have done. But we conveniently forget all the casualties because we are "democratic."

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Perhaps it’s because Bill has actually read the entire request, not just the summary headline, and extrapolated the multifaceted consequences, of which “can’t resolve foo.ru” is just the tip of an iceberg.

I too read the entire request, it’s unnecessarily rude of you to suggest otherwise. Shutting down root nameservers inside Russia would not impact Russian citizens ability to resolve domain names.

Yes, it will, and Bill makes it clear how and why.

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I too read the entire request, it’s unnecessarily rude of you to suggest otherwise. Shutting down root nameservers inside Russia would not impact Russian citizens ability to resolve domain names.

Yes, it will, and Bill makes it clear how and why.

Anyone with basic understanding of DNS infrastructure knows that Bill is wrong.

You do not need to query the root nameservers often, a slight increase in latency makes no difference whatsoever for queries which occur once every 10 minutes or so and can be performed in the background.

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Yes, it will, and Bill makes it clear how and why.

Anyone with basic understanding of DNS infrastructure knows that Bill is wrong. You do not need to query the root nameservers often, a slight increase in latency makes no difference whatsoever for queries which occur once every 10 minutes or so and can be performed in the background.

> Anyone with basic understanding of DNS infrastructure

Well, since I have actually developed, built, and operated global-scale authoritative (and resolver) DNS infrastructure, as well as ISP infrastructure more generally from the first dialups to multinational backbones, and internet exchanges, and witnessed (and handled) the many and fascinating failure modes (whether accidental or malicious) of both the DNS and Internet routing, by this standard I am prepared to make the ambit claim of being qualified to comment.

From your remark I can tell that you have not actually bothered to read what Bill wrote, either. I suggest returning to https://twitter.com/woodyatpch/status/1498472865301098500 and reviewing the substance.

I agree with his remarks. You are not arguing against them, but against some fictional re-imagining of what they might've been.

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Anyone with basic understanding of DNS infrastructure knows that Bill is wrong. You do not need to query the root nameservers often, a slight increase in latency makes no difference whatsoever for queries which occur once every 10 minutes or so and can be performed in the background.

> Anyone with basic understanding of DNS infrastructure Well, since I have actually developed, built, and operated global-scale authoritative (and resolver) DNS infrastructure, as well as ISP infrastructure more generally from the first dialups to multinational backbones, and internet exchanges, and witnessed (and handled) the many and fascinating failure modes (whether accidental or malicious) of both the DNS and In…

> I agree with his remarks. You are not arguing against them, but against some fictional re-imagining of what they might've been.

Please drop the unnecessary insults. I read what he wrote before my first reply, and this is specifically what I am objecting to:

> 2) Shut down the root nameservers inside Russia. That would make connectivity spotty for many users inside Russia, but mostly regular folks, not government or military users.

It is a downright lie, shutting down root nameservers inside Russia wouldn’t make connectivity inside Russia “spotty”.

Slight increase in latency to foreign root nameservers would have no noticeable impact as you can always query them in the background.

PS. Why do you need to be such an asshole about this? It’s completely unnecessary. You aren’t the only person in the world with networking experience, you aren’t special.

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