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Am I the only one who sees this like a way to radicalize again a two blocks world? finally they will end up using their own monetary and banking transactions system, their own internet, etc.

I wasn't always a fan of globalization, but worse than globalization would be to have two different global worlds. There has to be another way.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who gets to decide if someone abuses their power? For example the UN did not authorize the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

Do you think Russia's invasion of Ukraine is not a violation of Uk sovereignty? Is that not an abuse of their power?

Are you just purposefully avoiding the question and intentionally misconstruing the op's intent? Again, what he's asking is who gets to decide what is a abuse of power and what is not? I think the example given by op is right on the money. You don't see the parallel with Irak? Fabricating some story and evidence of weapons of mass destruction and then occupying a country for a decade, sounds like something Putin would do and you might construe that as abuse of power as well. I didn't see anybody calling for the US to be deleted from the internet back then.

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#84

The Ukrainian govt will try anything they possibly can and all props to them. But the rest of the world needs to be very very careful how we handle such a delicate situation.

Situation is not delicate - it is brutal.

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Is it possible to get a copy of a root server’s info somehow without doing a recursive lookup on every TLD?

AXFR global DNS zone transfer Usually blocked at the top level root server. However there have been incidents where such servers are misconfigured and allow it.

AXFR work totally fine on some root servers. Try b.root-servers.net.

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I totally get the sentiment, but it will be the worst thing that west can do right now. Russia been practicing and preparing for a while to "sovereign internet", i.e. total disconnect from rest of the internet and operating independently. If ICANN/RIPE will shut things down, it will give to Russian government excellent excuse to totally disconnect from rest of the world

I sure will miss the balanced perspectives Russian trolls and bot farms bring.

If you really think cutting Russia off will stop the trolls, think again. North Korean cyberattacks almost never happen from North Korean address space. Nothing prevents Russia from just setting up shop somewhere else.

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From Bill Woodcock who first posted this email: "In the short-term, this is a bad plan because it would cut the Russian man-on-the-street off from international news and perspectives, leaving them with only what the Russian government chooses to tell them. That's not a great way to decrease Russian public support for the war. In the long-term, this would set the precedent that small industry associations in Los Angel…

how does removing .ru dns cut the russian man-on-the-street from interational news and perspectives. dns is not ip addresses. all that means is russian websites would stop working via normal dns, not that ip addresses would stop routing and non .ru would continue to resolve normally. the only thing I can imagine is that it would cut them off because russia et al would then take the step to cut them off (which they so…

> dns is not ip addresses. all that means is russian websites would stop working via normal dns, not that ip addresses would stop routing and non .ru would continue to resolve normally

A “man on the street” isn’t browsing via IP address, and in the modern days of TLS SNI, you practically can’t just type in IP addresses to visit websites anyway. Names matter.

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post #21

From Bill Woodcock who first posted this email: "In the short-term, this is a bad plan because it would cut the Russian man-on-the-street off from international news and perspectives, leaving them with only what the Russian government chooses to tell them. That's not a great way to decrease Russian public support for the war. In the long-term, this would set the precedent that small industry associations in Los Angel…

how does removing .ru dns cut the russian man-on-the-street from interational news and perspectives. dns is not ip addresses. all that means is russian websites would stop working via normal dns, not that ip addresses would stop routing and non .ru would continue to resolve normally. the only thing I can imagine is that it would cut them off because russia et al would then take the step to cut them off (which they so…

Regardless of what you think about this possible course of action, this is totally disingenuous. It’s like saying that 40 years ago removing some businesses from the yellow pages didn’t mean you couldn’t still call them - that’s technically correct, but you’d better have them in your address book already or know someone who does. Compound that problem with 1) needing a much bigger address book, 2) phone numbers changing and the same business potentially having many phone numbers to different parts of their business, 3) never having used a phone book before and not even having an address book to start with (using an IP address is totally out of the ordinary for many people, and may not even be supported by applications other than a web browser. If suddenly all the sites I visited were no longer available through my usual DNS providers, I wouldn’t be able to visit them).

Re: Ukraine Government email to ICANN (requesting shutdown of .ru root DNS servers)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who gets to decide if someone abuses their power? For example the UN did not authorize the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

Do you think Russia's invasion of Ukraine is not a violation of Uk sovereignty? Is that not an abuse of their power?

I think the argument is that the Ukrainian coup in 2014[1] which was financed and fomented by foreign actors (CIA up to their old tricks), means that the current government is not only illegitimate, but put in power by Russian adversaries specifically to threaten their security.

This is why the US stood by when Russia rolled into Crimea, because we knew we were in the wrong and that was the price we had to pay (giving up Crimea to Russia) in order to keep "our guys" in control in Ukraine. It's also why the "Russian Collusion" thing was blown up in 2016. None of these events happened in a vacuum.

Not passing judgement on which is side has the most legitimate grievance, just providing context that seems to be skipped over when this matter comes up.

[1] https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2018/06/04/how-and-why-the-u-s-go...

Re: Ukraine Government email to ICANN (requesting shutdown of .ru root DNS servers)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think Russia's invasion of Ukraine is not a violation of Uk sovereignty? Is that not an abuse of their power?

I think the argument is that the Ukrainian coup in 2014[1] which was financed and fomented by foreign actors (CIA up to their old tricks), means that the current government is not only illegitimate, but put in power by Russian adversaries specifically to threaten their security. This is why the US stood by when Russia rolled into Crimea, because we knew we were in the wrong and that was the price we had to pay (givin…

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