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Ukraine Government email to ICANN (requesting shutdown of .ru root DNS servers)

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Re: Ukraine Government email to ICANN (requesting shutdown of .ru root DNS servers)

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Post by daxuak »

ruined wrote: post #38
gruez wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The point of sanctions is to be detrimental to average citizens (aka voters) so that they can put pressure on Putin. This presumes fair and open elections

no, it presumes power exists by the grace of popular support, or at least a lack of motivated opposition. this often coincides with but is by no means restricted to elections.

> the grace of popular support

For people to deprive the government of the popular support however, they have to vote with their life and everything. Look at Hong Kong. Look at Arab Spring. Look at Tiananmen Massacre. (They all ended up in vain, too.)

It's not some kind of natural process that will just happen.

Re: Ukraine Government email to ICANN (requesting shutdown of .ru root DNS servers)

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Post by finnx »

I don't think any competent army uses "the internet". You may think making Russian websites inaccessible will bring moral boost or justice served moment but it will certainly have a negative effect. This won't change number of casualties nor shorten any conflict in meaningful way.

This and some other sanctions that punish average Russians for just being Russians will put us into polarized world again and another cold war that will take ages to repair.

If average Russian can not connect to west, how can they keep their empathy towards west? If average western citizen can not connect to Russians, how can they keep their empathy towards Russians?

What we are seeing here is a competition. Competition to show who cares about Ukrainians most. Seriously how does blocking country from an adult website helps the situation? Is it any different than sending likes on a social media? How many likes to stop a tank?

I don't think I can blame people who participate in this competition, they want to do something. Promises we were given not kept.

Re: Ukraine Government email to ICANN (requesting shutdown of .ru root DNS servers)

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Post by 1970-01-01 »

Remember the .ORG fiasco? Since ICANN still has all of the paperwork in the top drawer, why not have the fire sale for .RU instead? Russia can't make an offer as their money is worthless due to sanctions! Profiteering for the 21st century!

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21611677

Re: Ukraine Government email to ICANN (requesting shutdown of .ru root DNS servers)

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Post by glerk »

1. This would set a dangerous precedent and undermine any trust we can have in an open and global internet.

2. As with many other "sanctions", this would affect mainly innocent civilians who have no say in the decisions of their government.

3. Taking down vital internet infrastructure in 2022 would cause a lot of damage. This would be a huge escalation of hostilities at a time when we are inching closer towards a global conflict. Where is the line between a sanction and an act of war?

Re: Ukraine Government email to ICANN (requesting shutdown of .ru root DNS servers)

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Post by dymk »

lwneal wrote: post #21

From Bill Woodcock who first posted this email: "In the short-term, this is a bad plan because it would cut the Russian man-on-the-street off from international news and perspectives, leaving them with only what the Russian government chooses to tell them. That's not a great way to decrease Russian public support for the war. In the long-term, this would set the precedent that small industry associations in Los Angel…

China and Russia have already effectively seceded from the 'open internet'. Those governments have firewalls and killswitches set up in such a way that they can censor whatever they want.

If they wish to reap the benefits of the open internet, it's only fair they face consequences when they abuse their power.

Re: Ukraine Government email to ICANN (requesting shutdown of .ru root DNS servers)

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Post by farseer »

dymk wrote: post #56
lwneal wrote: post #21

From Bill Woodcock who first posted this email: "In the short-term, this is a bad plan because it would cut the Russian man-on-the-street off from international news and perspectives, leaving them with only what the Russian government chooses to tell them. That's not a great way to decrease Russian public support for the war. In the long-term, this would set the precedent that small industry associations in Los Angel…

China and Russia have already effectively seceded from the 'open internet'. Those governments have firewalls and killswitches set up in such a way that they can censor whatever they want. If they wish to reap the benefits of the open internet, it's only fair they face consequences when they abuse their power.

Who gets to decide if someone abuses their power? For example the UN did not authorize the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

Re: Ukraine Government email to ICANN (requesting shutdown of .ru root DNS servers)

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Post by andrewinardeer »

dymk wrote: post #56
lwneal wrote: post #21

From Bill Woodcock who first posted this email: "In the short-term, this is a bad plan because it would cut the Russian man-on-the-street off from international news and perspectives, leaving them with only what the Russian government chooses to tell them. That's not a great way to decrease Russian public support for the war. In the long-term, this would set the precedent that small industry associations in Los Angel…

China and Russia have already effectively seceded from the 'open internet'. Those governments have firewalls and killswitches set up in such a way that they can censor whatever they want. If they wish to reap the benefits of the open internet, it's only fair they face consequences when they abuse their power.

But is it an open internet if a centralised authority can effectively wipe out a top level domain name arbitrarily?

Re: Ukraine Government email to ICANN (requesting shutdown of .ru root DNS servers)

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Post by anthk »

CryptoPunk wrote: post #23

That this is even possible shows that ICANN is not reliable enough for a global internet naming authority. I think the solution will ultimately be blockchain-based systems like ENS.

That's crap to fight climate change.

Re: Ukraine Government email to ICANN (requesting shutdown of .ru root DNS servers)

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Post by CommanderData »

This is a terrible shortsighted idea, the average Russian will be negatively effected. Russians are just like you and me, We are talking about effectively disrupting everyday services for Russians... What if someone's trying to access critical health services, use connected medical equipment.. Theres a million reasons to not do this.
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