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No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by vkreso »

ceejayoz wrote: post #32
watwut wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They wont be reading this. Russia is informationally closed and now it became crime to spread "disinformation about war". This would likely fall in that category (regardless of whether true or not). Also, Russian soldiers are dying too. It is fair to guess they are more likely to die then become POW.

North Koreans manage to get DVDs of Marvel movies. The Russians will manage - they’ve still got actual access to the Internet.

I love the story about soviet bootleg records pressed on used X-ray images!

https://www.x-rayaudio.com/x-rayaudioproject/ https://www.dazeddigital.com/music/article/32308/1/russia-x-...

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by rightbyte »

fuoqi wrote: post #36
thro1 wrote: post #15

If anyone wonders why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HxRJIwXj3s Gypsy snatched the tank, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX2EYOWBmBY Ukrainian farmer stole a russian tank.

Firstly, there are zero tanks on the videos. Secondly, "snatched" is a very bold claim. There is a sizable number of videos of discarded Russian vehicles, but if you watch closely there is no blood and zero dead bodies. It looks like the Russian army simply discards vehicles with technical issues to keep forces mobile (this is why you see the vehicles towed, not moving by themselves). And lastly, in the second half o…

I was a conscript in a MT-LB. The batalion lost like one per every other day to malfunction when driving alot. So I agree it is probably what is happening.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by pjmlp »

pjc50 wrote: post #9

The Ukranian social media propaganda operation is just incredible, and they should keep at it because I think it's been a big part of the massive popular support in the West causing rapid government and NGO response to the invasion. Conversely they've been pretty effective at stopping information about their own disposition of forces being posted to social media, or at least it's not being retweeted anywhere I've see…

Unfortunely there are only so much that a country can take with an endless amount of tanks driving into it.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by ceejayoz »

emteycz wrote: post #48
ceejayoz wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

North Koreans manage to get DVDs of Marvel movies. The Russians will manage - they’ve still got actual access to the Internet.

You're assuming they're going to be trying, but they don't know they should be "managing" something.

Yes, I’m assuming post-Soviet Russia will have a little skepticism of state-run media. There’s pretty good historical precedent.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by Mo3 »

nosianu wrote: post #22
Mo3 wrote: post #5

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Thought the same. This is the German wet dream.

Having lived in the US for almost a decade, I did not see any less bureaucracy (for example, two tax returns - Germany is a federation too but I only need to file one). I also hear nightmare stories from other countries far surpassing anything we Germans could cook up, for example from India or from some African countries (not exclusively). "German bureaucracy" is a nice meme, I highly doubt that it even remotely ref…

I doubt you have ever penetrated deep enough into the favorite German pastime. I have a dedicated Nextcloud just to store and maintain order in my postal communication. I‘ve moved to the Netherlands in recent days though and the difference is very notable.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by drran »

ck2 wrote: post #50
pjc50 wrote: post #9

The Ukranian social media propaganda operation is just incredible, and they should keep at it because I think it's been a big part of the massive popular support in the West causing rapid government and NGO response to the invasion. Conversely they've been pretty effective at stopping information about their own disposition of forces being posted to social media, or at least it's not being retweeted anywhere I've see…

It's all fun and games until Putin totally rages and dials it up to 11 without even a "no fly zone" being offered by the rest of the world. They have almost the military power of the US and look at the total decimation we did to Iraq. I mean they are already bombing civilian areas so thousands are dying, just not being reported to keep moral up. Putin will threaten maybe nukes in response but there has to be a no-fly…

> I mean they are already bombing civilian areas so thousands are dying, just not being reported to keep moral up.

All dead Ukrainians are accounted and reported immediately, as time allows. We are doing that for last 8 years, day by day. We are outnumbered by Russians, so nobody interested in how many Russians died today, but every single dead Ukrainian soldier or civilian is a tragedy for us.

Furthermore, we don't need to keep the moral up. I was second officer at my recruit center at day 1 of war. I was promised that I will be sent to front line on next day, but on next day some soldiers are returned back, because all military units are full to top.

We need more weapons, armor, planes. We have plenty of man, who want to kill Russians, because after 8 years of war we all lost somebody we know.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by thejackgoode »

nkozyra wrote: post #45
thejackgoode wrote: post #25

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Everybody does this during war, would you expect the opposite? Would you yourself voluntarily share news of your own country's losses during war?

It's often claimed that a loosening of media restrictions post-Korean war contributed to the domestic lack of support for the Vietnam War. But there are a lot of ways to shape a narrative in 2022 that involve amplification instead of censorship. https://www.rewire.org/vietnam-war-media-shapes-public-opini...

If you are invading, it’s always a different story. The incentives are different

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by emteycz »

ceejayoz wrote: post #64
emteycz wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're assuming they're going to be trying, but they don't know they should be "managing" something.

Yes, I’m assuming post-Soviet Russia will have a little skepticism of state-run media. There’s pretty good historical precedent.

Well that's completely wrong. Putin's propaganda machine is arguably even more performant than Soviets ever had it.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by acdha »

VictorPath wrote: post #47
acdha wrote: post #23

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Which is a pretty bold claim, completely unsupported by evidence. The Ukraine has a ton of highly-proficient very online people, the idea that they need shadowy outside help seems like an attack more than a serious claim.

Who was handing out cookies in Maidan Square during the Euromaidan? Just the tip of the iceberg of the outside help. In another forum, someone said to watch for the coming "let's roll" vignettes. Of course they were right, the US corporate press seems to be looking for narratives of heroic Ukrainian resistance, whatever the evidence - the defiant Snake Island defenders (who there later emerged video of them surrender…

> Who was handing out cookies in Maidan Square during the Euromaidan? Just the tip of the iceberg of the outside help.

Yes, who was? (Hint: not the CIA)

You’re talking about Victoria Nuland, who was assistant Secretary of State at the time. She visited the protests at the time her boss was decrying the treatment of protesters and openly voiced support for democracy as opposed to how Yanukovich’s government was treating them. She helped distribute food – the cookies claim is a tell that you spend a lot of time consuming Russian propaganda since they’ve tried to spin this as America wanting compliant Ukrainian lapdogs - but that’s hardly a secret: all of this was in public in her official capacity, hardly some shadowy CIA plot.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by largbae »

fuoqi wrote: post #36
thro1 wrote: post #15

If anyone wonders why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HxRJIwXj3s Gypsy snatched the tank, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX2EYOWBmBY Ukrainian farmer stole a russian tank.

Firstly, there are zero tanks on the videos. Secondly, "snatched" is a very bold claim. There is a sizable number of videos of discarded Russian vehicles, but if you watch closely there is no blood and zero dead bodies. It looks like the Russian army simply discards vehicles with technical issues to keep forces mobile (this is why you see the vehicles towed, not moving by themselves). And lastly, in the second half o…

You seem to have a different angle than most here. I'm not sure I can join you in rationalizing an invading army but I believe in your right to say what you want, and value hearing from all sides. Can you share any sources or background on your point of view?
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