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No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by kergonath »

sva_ wrote: post #21
pjc50 wrote: post #9

The Ukranian social media propaganda operation is just incredible, and they should keep at it because I think it's been a big part of the massive popular support in the West causing rapid government and NGO response to the invasion. Conversely they've been pretty effective at stopping information about their own disposition of forces being posted to social media, or at least it's not being retweeted anywhere I've see…

> Conversely they've been pretty effective at stopping information about their own disposition of forces being posted to social media, or at least it's not being retweeted anywhere I've seen. I'm a bit twisted about this. In school, as a German, we were told that the Nazis only reported their wins, not their losses, and how this was such a terrible thing to do (I'm not saying Ukrainians are like Nazis of course.)

I don’t know about you, but the point the teachers made when I was in school in France was more that they were censuring things like soldiers letters to their relatives and journal articles, which is bad, rather than officials emphasising victories without mentioning defeats, which is not ideal but understandable when morale plays such an important role.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by ceejayoz »

watwut wrote: post #17
MaysonL wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine the Russian soldiers' parents reading this, and then getting a phone calls from their sons, now POWs, but still alive.

They wont be reading this. Russia is informationally closed and now it became crime to spread "disinformation about war". This would likely fall in that category (regardless of whether true or not). Also, Russian soldiers are dying too. It is fair to guess they are more likely to die then become POW.

North Koreans manage to get DVDs of Marvel movies. The Russians will manage - they’ve still got actual access to the Internet.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by gilrain »

sva_ wrote: post #21
pjc50 wrote: post #9

The Ukranian social media propaganda operation is just incredible, and they should keep at it because I think it's been a big part of the massive popular support in the West causing rapid government and NGO response to the invasion. Conversely they've been pretty effective at stopping information about their own disposition of forces being posted to social media, or at least it's not being retweeted anywhere I've see…

> Conversely they've been pretty effective at stopping information about their own disposition of forces being posted to social media, or at least it's not being retweeted anywhere I've seen. I'm a bit twisted about this. In school, as a German, we were told that the Nazis only reported their wins, not their losses, and how this was such a terrible thing to do (I'm not saying Ukrainians are like Nazis of course.)

At my school, it was the genocide that was emphasized as the terrible thing, not the military strategy.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by fuoqi »

thro1 wrote: post #15

If anyone wonders why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HxRJIwXj3s Gypsy snatched the tank, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX2EYOWBmBY Ukrainian farmer stole a russian tank.

Firstly, there are zero tanks on the videos. Secondly, "snatched" is a very bold claim. There is a sizable number of videos of discarded Russian vehicles, but if you watch closely there is no blood and zero dead bodies. It looks like the Russian army simply discards vehicles with technical issues to keep forces mobile (this is why you see the vehicles towed, not moving by themselves). And lastly, in the second half of the second video the towed anti-air system is used mostly by the Ukrainian army (the Russian army uses more modern systems), so it looks like the Ukrainian army simply transports an immobile vehicle using an expropriated civilian tractor.

Truth is the first casualty in war, indeed.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by dannyw »

acdha wrote: post #23
TMWNN wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yossarian1408 means that CIA/MI6 are almost certainly running Ukraine's PR.

Which is a pretty bold claim, completely unsupported by evidence. The Ukraine has a ton of highly-proficient very online people, the idea that they need shadowy outside help seems like an attack more than a serious claim.

Come on, you literally think the Central Intelligence Agency, the poster child for psy-ops, is not doing psy-ops right now???

That's like saying there's no evidence the NSA has saved this exact message in Xkeyscore.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by jpmoral »

TMWNN wrote: post #18
pjc50 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.interfax.com.ua/about.html looks pretty Ukranian to me?

yossarian1408 means that CIA/MI6 are almost certainly running Ukraine's PR.

Doesn't seem like it to (untrained) me. Maybe if it were ham-handed and on-the-nose.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by willis936 »

watwut wrote: post #17
MaysonL wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine the Russian soldiers' parents reading this, and then getting a phone calls from their sons, now POWs, but still alive.

They wont be reading this. Russia is informationally closed and now it became crime to spread "disinformation about war". This would likely fall in that category (regardless of whether true or not). Also, Russian soldiers are dying too. It is fair to guess they are more likely to die then become POW.

I spoke with several Russians on 4chan last night.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by baq »

acdha wrote: post #23
TMWNN wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yossarian1408 means that CIA/MI6 are almost certainly running Ukraine's PR.

Which is a pretty bold claim, completely unsupported by evidence. The Ukraine has a ton of highly-proficient very online people, the idea that they need shadowy outside help seems like an attack more than a serious claim.

They do.

But if you believe they don't get help from western intelligence agencies, you're looking the other way.

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