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No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by sva_ »

pjc50 wrote: post #9

The Ukranian social media propaganda operation is just incredible, and they should keep at it because I think it's been a big part of the massive popular support in the West causing rapid government and NGO response to the invasion. Conversely they've been pretty effective at stopping information about their own disposition of forces being posted to social media, or at least it's not being retweeted anywhere I've see…

> Conversely they've been pretty effective at stopping information about their own disposition of forces being posted to social media, or at least it's not being retweeted anywhere I've seen.

I'm a bit twisted about this. In school, as a German, we were told that the Nazis only reported their wins, not their losses, and how this was such a terrible thing to do (I'm not saying Ukrainians are like Nazis of course.)

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by nosianu »

Mo3 wrote: post #5
eqvinox wrote: post #3

Speaking as a German, what this tells me is that Ukraine is ready to join the EU in terms of bureaucracy :D

Thought the same. This is the German wet dream.

Having lived in the US for almost a decade, I did not see any less bureaucracy (for example, two tax returns - Germany is a federation too but I only need to file one).

I also hear nightmare stories from other countries far surpassing anything we Germans could cook up, for example from India or from some African countries (not exclusively). "German bureaucracy" is a nice meme, I highly doubt that it even remotely reflects reality accurately. I don't mean that there isn't a lot, I mean that I doubt it's significantly or even any more than elsewhere. It's also highly subjective, depending on what part one is exposed to. Everybody only ever interacts with a tiny part of the overall system after all, and it very much depends on the context, so I doubt there can be a single answer that is meaningful except for media headline generation and effortless quick comment posting.

Also, the exact same bureaucracy and rules can save effort, be good for society overall or even lives, or (and) it can be a great hindrance to progress, again depending on the exact context.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by acdha »

TMWNN wrote: post #18
pjc50 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.interfax.com.ua/about.html looks pretty Ukranian to me?

yossarian1408 means that CIA/MI6 are almost certainly running Ukraine's PR.

Which is a pretty bold claim, completely unsupported by evidence. The Ukraine has a ton of highly-proficient very online people, the idea that they need shadowy outside help seems like an attack more than a serious claim.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by djakaitis »

sva_ wrote: post #21
pjc50 wrote: post #9

The Ukranian social media propaganda operation is just incredible, and they should keep at it because I think it's been a big part of the massive popular support in the West causing rapid government and NGO response to the invasion. Conversely they've been pretty effective at stopping information about their own disposition of forces being posted to social media, or at least it's not being retweeted anywhere I've see…

> Conversely they've been pretty effective at stopping information about their own disposition of forces being posted to social media, or at least it's not being retweeted anywhere I've seen. I'm a bit twisted about this. In school, as a German, we were told that the Nazis only reported their wins, not their losses, and how this was such a terrible thing to do (I'm not saying Ukrainians are like Nazis of course.)

What are you saying then?

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by thejackgoode »

sva_ wrote: post #21
pjc50 wrote: post #9

The Ukranian social media propaganda operation is just incredible, and they should keep at it because I think it's been a big part of the massive popular support in the West causing rapid government and NGO response to the invasion. Conversely they've been pretty effective at stopping information about their own disposition of forces being posted to social media, or at least it's not being retweeted anywhere I've see…

> Conversely they've been pretty effective at stopping information about their own disposition of forces being posted to social media, or at least it's not being retweeted anywhere I've seen. I'm a bit twisted about this. In school, as a German, we were told that the Nazis only reported their wins, not their losses, and how this was such a terrible thing to do (I'm not saying Ukrainians are like Nazis of course.)

Everybody does this during war, would you expect the opposite? Would you yourself voluntarily share news of your own country's losses during war?

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by kergonath »

TMWNN wrote: post #18
pjc50 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.interfax.com.ua/about.html looks pretty Ukranian to me?

yossarian1408 means that CIA/MI6 are almost certainly running Ukraine's PR.

Wait, I thought it was the reptilians.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by PedroBatista »

trhway wrote: post #14

a farmer stealing an armored carrier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmPD1w1bZVI Various Ukrainian people and organizations declared bounties for killed Russians and captured hardware. I suppose the bounties aren't going to be taxed too :)

I think it's a finders-keepers situation. The owners were nowhere to be found and probably was blocking someone's driveway.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by ilammy »

sva_ wrote: post #21
pjc50 wrote: post #9

The Ukranian social media propaganda operation is just incredible, and they should keep at it because I think it's been a big part of the massive popular support in the West causing rapid government and NGO response to the invasion. Conversely they've been pretty effective at stopping information about their own disposition of forces being posted to social media, or at least it's not being retweeted anywhere I've see…

> Conversely they've been pretty effective at stopping information about their own disposition of forces being posted to social media, or at least it's not being retweeted anywhere I've seen. I'm a bit twisted about this. In school, as a German, we were told that the Nazis only reported their wins, not their losses, and how this was such a terrible thing to do (I'm not saying Ukrainians are like Nazis of course.)

It's about civilian population not accidentally leaking intel through their personal twitter.

Of course, official propaganda of any county at war would highlight wins and dim the losses, if anything but for morale purposes.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by the_duke »

brabel wrote: post #16
thro1 wrote: post #15

If anyone wonders why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HxRJIwXj3s Gypsy snatched the tank, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX2EYOWBmBY Ukrainian farmer stole a russian tank.

Funny, but you know those are fake, right?

There are countless images and videos on Telegram/Twitter of abandoned and captured Russian vehicles, including many not used by Ukrainian forces.

Some of them are surely staged for Psyops, but by sheer volume plenty of them must be authentic.

Re: No need to declare captured Russian tanks, other equipment of invaders as income

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Post by mnw21cam »

sva_ wrote: post #21
pjc50 wrote: post #9

The Ukranian social media propaganda operation is just incredible, and they should keep at it because I think it's been a big part of the massive popular support in the West causing rapid government and NGO response to the invasion. Conversely they've been pretty effective at stopping information about their own disposition of forces being posted to social media, or at least it's not being retweeted anywhere I've see…

> Conversely they've been pretty effective at stopping information about their own disposition of forces being posted to social media, or at least it's not being retweeted anywhere I've seen. I'm a bit twisted about this. In school, as a German, we were told that the Nazis only reported their wins, not their losses, and how this was such a terrible thing to do (I'm not saying Ukrainians are like Nazis of course.)

Disposition doesn't necessarily mean wins and losses - in this case it means where the forces are located, their strengths and capabilities, and what they are planning to do. It is entirely appropriate that this kind of information is kept secret.
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