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Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by [deleted] »

cf141q5325 wrote: post #751
piker wrote: post #512

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> Outgoing transfers to foreign banks and electronic money institutions are now illegal, due to the yesterday's order that forbids Russian residents to transfer money to their own accounts abroad. Break this law if you can. Weigh the probability of being prosecuted in the mass of others breaking these laws versus the probability of facing real hardship from the economic sanctions. Doubly true if you have a family you…

With the focus on "IF YOU CAN". Dont do something stupid. If you break any laws be very very sure about what the consequences can be and how you protect yourself from that. Put bluntly, dont be a blindly gambling idiot.

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Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by jacquesm »

ysamjo wrote: post #391
ihateolives wrote: post #294

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You do realize that only thing EU and US have done about Russia escalating situations all over the place (Crimea, North Caucasus, Georgia, South Ossetia, Chechnya, Dagestan etc) is talk, talk, talk. Has it helped? Nope. Russia seems to be immune to talking.

I would add that the unspecifity of the threat was what kept Putin going. Consider what would have happened if "The West" handed Putin a detailed list of the sanctions that are in effect now A WEEK AGO. Lower costs and lower risks. That's why far-sighted politics are so important.

This is a good point but: (1) what happened was considered unthinkable by many, (2) the wold has changed which allowed those sanctions and (3) the idea was not to 'rock the boat' and saying if you do this we will do that could have allowed for the Russian side to plan better playing into their hands and might have encouraged them to start a war.

So this is easy to say now, but I don't think there would have been any takers for this three weeks ago when for instance Germany was still firmly in the mistaken mindset that all of this is so unlikely that they don't need to prepare for it at all.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by jacquesm »

ravel-bar-foo wrote: post #736
thinkindie wrote: post #451

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Russia is targeting cities and civil targets, employing bombs that have been banned (cluster bombs), and committing war crimes, I don't think they currently give a damn about the Olympic Truce.

While Russia is committing war crimes, they have not used cluster bombs. AFAIK this claim is based on a report that they were deploying cluster bombs against a civilian mall in Kharkiv. The video shows rapid explosions falling on the mall, but not as rapidly as one would expect to see if cluster bombs were used. Most likely it was Grad (MRLS) missiles. Still likely to be a war crime, but not cluster bombs.

There are many, many pictures of unexploded submunitions lying around and plenty of videos of their use.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by jacquesm »

OJFord wrote: post #754
MauranKilom wrote: post #410

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> An agreement was quickly reached on Hitler's terms > Shortly afterwards, Hitler reneged on his solemn promises to respect the integrity of Czechoslovakia > Today, the Munich Agreement is widely regarded as a failed act of appeasement, and the term has become "a byword for the futility of appeasing expansionist totalitarian states". Giving in to the demands of the aggressor may "stop" the war for the time being, yes…

Surely it's obvious in talking about the second world war that it didn't work? I'm not holding it up as some sort of exemplary negotiation. I was just saying Actually yes, they did try.

Agreed, but your original comment didn't really provide that context.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by helge9210 »

usrusr wrote: post #469
kungito wrote: post #206

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There have been multiple active wars in like 1/4 of the world the whole time since ww2 and all the time before that. The only thing different is that Ukraine is closer to EU than the rest of the countries.

How many of those were active landgrabs though? Wars for redrawing borders have really become exceptionally rare. Particularly if you exclude those staged by Putin on some weak pretense (Putin, or whether his real name is. After the last weeks I don't believe a single word he says)

> Wars for redrawing borders have really become exceptionally rare

Since Yalta-Potsdam conferences world doesn't recognize the right of conquest.

Since Peace of Westphalia historical grounds for aggression were not valid.

In his speech Putin dived directly to Rus, denying centuries of political development.

That is the main reason Russia is dangerous to everyone: not because of an attack on Ukraine, but because of dismantling the current world order.

WW3 is not "Russia against the world". WW3 is every country seeing the possibility of quietly entering the fry and getting out in a better position.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #620
CyberSimon wrote: post #567

Are any countries accepting refuges from Russia that seek asylum? I know some Russians that are wholly against their Government's actions. I hope some provisions are being made to allow those who wish escape to do so...

>Are any countries accepting refuges from Russia that seek asylum? This is an important topic. Some EU countries like Czechia are even blocking visas for Russian citizens now and I think this will be a trend in other EU countries. AFAIK, since Russia is the aggressor here and is (on paper) a democratic country (but not really), then its citizens are not considered yet victims of the war, and are most likely not falli…

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Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by rightbyte »

darebak wrote: post #48
readthenotes1 wrote: post #21

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A big difference is that by and large, Ukraine has won the narrative. There are no "Ukrainian artillery: go fuck yourself" stories. There's also no barely veiled threats by the US that we would nuke Iraq or Afghanistan etc. nor drop the ISS on them.

Ukraine has won the narrative in the West because Western countries wanted it that way, it's actually pretty easy to do when you cut out opposing propaganda.

There was no official Russian "social media" propaganda videos of the invasion until yesterday. The whole invasion was a limited operation, you know.

It was very obvoius. They released a video of helicopter hits, high res artsy photos of destroyed armor, some dude flying a drone over a disabled UA tank zooming out to the Russian tank column and the Snake Island POWs calling home.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by Paradigma11 »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #755
tuukkah wrote: post #674

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It was never a civil war; from the beginning, it was a Russian invasion implemented partially with some locals as a proxy.

And for more info lookup "little green men" on Crimea and the history of trying to transfer Russian population to the region. This video was linked in some other comment (although on youtube) and I found it interesting: https://invidio.xamh.de/watch?v=nK-yJD_fAtk

And lets not forget that guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Girkin

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by helge9210 »

ysamjo wrote: post #762
watwut wrote: post #516

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> Consider what would have happened if "The West" handed Putin a detailed list of the sanctions that are in effect now A WEEK AGO. Putin would say that is why he attacked Ukraine. His cheerleads would then blame Biden, claiming Putin had no choice.

Doesn't make sense to me. It's a simple If-This-Then-That logic. The sanctions only take place once he invades. If there's no invasion of course there are no sanctions.

Consider that he has own logic of: if they present us with possible sanctions, it's considered aggression, so we attack, else they are weak, so we attack.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by adriancr »

5ESS wrote: post #713
adriancr wrote: post #574

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> Could I (US citizen) get in trouble for providing free VPNs to Russian nationals? Yes if they do anything illegal and it's traced to your account. > Would these Russians get in trouble for using my US based VPN? Maybe, depends on laws in Russia. > I want to support Russians during this difficult time How about Ukrainians?

> Yes if they do anything illegal and it's traced to your account. Since when are VPN operators held accountable for their user’s actions? There are plenty of free VPNs out there. We don’t hold Cloudflare responsible when someone makes a death threat using it’s free Warp VPN. Because that makes no sense. If someone committed a crime using my VPN the Netflow /backbone transit logs would prove I didn’t do it and the ca…

He said he is a citizen and not an operator.

If he was planning on buying subscriptions for Russians then some operators will hand out his details if something illegal was detected.

If he was planning on setting up a VPN of his own on his own connection... then he's in trouble.

Imagine child porn and how hard that would be to fight.

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