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You think that talking to Hitler is going to stop a war?
Saying "Ukraine will remain neutral and will not join NATO" would have stopped this war. It's an unpopular fact but it's still true.
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#672I suspect brownish people must feel pretty depressed right now. Seeing how their countries got destroyed with literally zero consequences for the war crimes of the "west". Disasters like this one is exactly what hegemonies lead to. And is Europe racist? Oh yes, we are. The cries against having brown people given asylum came from every corner of society. And now everyone is welcoming our brothers and sisters, as they…
I agree with the general point about double standards. However, Europe is one of the least racist places in the world, and one of the places where millions of non-white people moved to and started a new life. The tirade about a supposedly racist Europe is pretty ungenerous. Of course there are racist people in Europe here and there, but Europe as a whole is one of the least racist places in the whole world.
Short statements aren't tirades by definition, though I understand your sentiment. Can't help but notice certain non-european country is working overtime to unite the world against against the threat they have very much encouraged. And that they have done, and continue to do, much worse things. We shouldn't let this go unnoticed. Context matters
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#673Here's my take on this, which you are not going to like one bit. It goes like this... The good people of Russia - and I'm not saying this with a tongue in cheek - the vast majority of the people of Russia truly are GOOD people, in the simplest, most sincere sense of the word... But they do need to go through some things. You just don't get to support a murderous communist regime for 100 years and then say "but we had…
"You just don't get to support a murderous communist regime for 100 years and then say "but we had nothing to do with it"." The soviet regime is long gone, but with reference to the current regime. It's been put there and supported by the West. In the shock treatment of the economy, the giving away of the state to an oligarchy and to contracts to western companies, the US and CIA support of Yeltsin up to and includin…
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Russia is certainly about to lose some serious technical talent. I can't imagine any devs would want to stick around in that country. Hope Putin doesn't block all ways for them to emigrate.
He basically aims to reinstate the Soviet Union "glory" days so reinstating the iron curtain isn't a big stretch... I still hope this can be settled. If Ukraine gives up the areas that were basically constant civil war anyway... Continued escalation is to nobody's benefit. I don't think the Russian population wants this war either. PS for what it's worth I also was really opposed to my own country helping the US to i…
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#675This whole situation is so surreal and disappointing. I grew up on Star Trek and somehow I just though we had (almost) arrived in a post-war, federation-like world. We know things should be solved with words because otherwise there are only losers. It’s how we raise our kids. I just keep thinking about how Jean Luc is looking down on us from orbit, slowly shaking his head whispering “Savages.”
Star Trek fleet had actually excellent policies: - "any contact to less developed civilizations is strictly forbidden". - "do not interfere in any way and don't take a side in conflicts of sovereign civilizations". Both of them were crucial. If we followed these principles, the world would be much happier and peaceful place. What do we do instead? Bomb democracy into societies not yet ready for it, force trade agreem…
>> If we followed these principles, the world would be much happier and peaceful place.
And less developed civilizations would have polio, ox carts, and witch medicine.
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Now, we are sitting in our comfortable homes still and this is for us another thought-challenge about horrible events far away. I condemn all wars, but as nerds continue with the thinking and analyzing, this is not meant to defend any side and especially not to justify any war. Now then, what you said. Do you also hold that against all the Germans when they started both World War 1, and World War 2? They did nothing.…
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Yes I realize it is perhaps hypocritical, but somehow I thought we had figured it out. I mean we (EU and US) also could have done more talking less warmongering. I’m also disappointed with our leaders.
"We" tried talking, "we" didn't do the warmongering, where is that coming from? Granted, the US did a lot of warmongering in the middle east; I get that they wanted to retaliate after 9/11, but instead of rooting out the ones responsible directly they made up a motive (WOMD in Iraq) and did a full scale invasion there; I'm not saying Iraq was a pleasant, peaceful country or that Hussein was a nice guy, but the US inv…
The US does a lot of warmongering everywhere. It mongers at China, it mongers at Russia. It's in fact a big bully, all the more dangerous because of the knowledge that they are slowly becoming obsolete. The EU in a lot of ways acts as a sock puppet for the US, so this is definitely the result of a shared responsibility. Collectively, we should have been better. We were not. Now Ukraine is suffering.
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> I'm trying to understand the scale of Putin's decision Drastic. Catastrophic. Suicidal. World-changing. The country (Russia) in its current form has just ceased to exist. The entire parasitic elite class just got cut off from everything they stole during all these years. The entire human potential of Russia just got nullified for at lest 20 years. The push towards green energy (and I hope nuclear fusion) just got a…
NATO would have destroyed Russia anyway. After the drastic intensification of anti-Russia propaganda in 201x which prepared the population to accept it, it is a matter of time. There is nothing nothing Russia might do to stop the agression (bully always finds pretext). It is not new: no matter the regime, the West will always try to dismantle Russia. Ukraine is a desperate attempt to defend the state against much mor…
If NATO was willing to risk attacking Russia, they would already be fighting in Ukraine, which is a much lesser risk. They'll arm Ukraine but they won't fight there.
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#679The reason Russia has elevated tyrants to power for centuries is deep-rooted in Russian soul to the point where it's not even a problem. It's something that is inexplicably difficult to understand unless you actually experience the culture for a good portion of your life. There is a lot of literature out there about the "Russian Soul" and I really recommend reading it to understand how this happens. In my opinion it'…
(disclaimer, I'm russian but not Russia citizen, but I 'experienced the culture' for 30 years) This is wrong. There is not so much special russian 'mentality' left in Russia, not in the big cities. People there have more-or-less the same 'european values'. The problem now is that we used to think of ourselves as 'good guys'. We destroyed nazis and even though we did a lot of not so good stuff, in minds of russians it…
that is just external shell that came with oil money. Try to fit the "Great Russia chauvinism" into what you said. You wouldn't be able to. That chauvinism is the basis of Russian mentality and has been well alive and kicking, and the last few days it has been taking a trip to Ukraine.
>General population of Russia can't even imagine the possibility that we invade other country.
convenient self-delusion. Afghanistan is a glaring example. Of course it was sold as "brotherly help" by propaganda just like the Ukraine war right now. Well, easy falling for the same propaganda again and again - that is the convenient self-delusion. That delusion naturally feeds into and is reinforced by the "Big Brother" self-perception which is one of the facets of the "Great Russia chauvinism".
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If the airspace of half of the world is closed for Russia how you think they can even fly? They've sanctions that would even make it impossible for normal people to do a bank transfer in their "new" country.
> If the airspace of half of the world is closed for Russia how you think they can even fly? First flying to the other half, or taking land transport (at least for the border crossing part).
Easy to cross it like you're doing a walk with your dog. Not to mention that is cold... But yay lets go and take a walk to the border lol