What will happen is a Russian dns that many countries will use would be setup. This creates a grey-net where by using this dns sites with content not allowed in the west will live. The possibilities are a little exciting.
The west can force their ISPs to block traffic to these DNS services... and then extend that to whatever else they want blocked. We need a blockchain DNS service which can be exported as custom list for a DNS service you run locally (afaik, pihole supports custom lists).
how does removing .ru dns cut the russian man-on-the-street from interational news and perspectives. dns is not ip addresses. all that means is russian websites would stop working via normal dns, not that ip addresses would stop routing and non .ru would continue to resolve normally. the only thing I can imagine is that it would cut them off because russia et al would then take the step to cut them off (which they so…
Regardless of what you think about this possible course of action, this is totally disingenuous. It’s like saying that 40 years ago removing some businesses from the yellow pages didn’t mean you couldn’t still call them - that’s technically correct, but you’d better have them in your address book already or know someone who does. Compound that problem with 1) needing a much bigger address book, 2) phone numbers chang…
the point I was making, just removing .ru resolution, doesn't prevent them from accessing international sites. .com will still resolve. assuming google doesn't do ip filtering, seting your dns to 8.8.8.8 (or cloudflare or others) and .com will still resolve even if they remove the roots running in russia.
how does removing .ru dns cut the russian man-on-the-street from interational news and perspectives. dns is not ip addresses. all that means is russian websites would stop working via normal dns, not that ip addresses would stop routing and non .ru would continue to resolve normally. the only thing I can imagine is that it would cut them off because russia et al would then take the step to cut them off (which they so…
> dns is not ip addresses. all that means is russian websites would stop working via normal dns, not that ip addresses would stop routing and non .ru would continue to resolve normally A “man on the street” isn’t browsing via IP address, and in the modern days of TLS SNI, you practically can’t just type in IP addresses to visit websites anyway. Names matter.
but removing .ru resolution doesn't prevent someone from resolving www.google.com
From Bill Woodcock who first posted this email: "In the short-term, this is a bad plan because it would cut the Russian man-on-the-street off from international news and perspectives, leaving them with only what the Russian government chooses to tell them. That's not a great way to decrease Russian public support for the war. In the long-term, this would set the precedent that small industry associations in Los Angel…
This is ridiculous. International news don’t live under .ru, nor do many of the independent medias like MEDUZA.
Bill might be a smart guy, but this is a big time brain fart from him. Everybody makes mistakes.
What will happen is a Russian dns that many countries will use would be setup. This creates a grey-net where by using this dns sites with content not allowed in the west will live. The possibilities are a little exciting.
The west can force their ISPs to block traffic to these DNS services... and then extend that to whatever else they want blocked. We need a blockchain DNS service which can be exported as custom list for a DNS service you run locally (afaik, pihole supports custom lists).
> dns is not ip addresses. all that means is russian websites would stop working via normal dns, not that ip addresses would stop routing and non .ru would continue to resolve normally A “man on the street” isn’t browsing via IP address, and in the modern days of TLS SNI, you practically can’t just type in IP addresses to visit websites anyway. Names matter.
but removing .ru resolution doesn't prevent someone from resolving www.google.com
but removing .ru resolution doesn't prevent someone from resolving www.google.com
Not all .ru sites are state-owned.
again, not what I was arguing against. the argument was removing .ru resolution would prevent russians from reading international media to see how the rest of the world is seeing it.
I dont understand how one can make that argument with a straight face.
From Bill Woodcock who first posted this email: "In the short-term, this is a bad plan because it would cut the Russian man-on-the-street off from international news and perspectives, leaving them with only what the Russian government chooses to tell them. That's not a great way to decrease Russian public support for the war. In the long-term, this would set the precedent that small industry associations in Los Angel…
This is ridiculous. International news don’t live under .ru, nor do many of the independent medias like MEDUZA. Bill might be a smart guy, but this is a big time brain fart from him. Everybody makes mistakes.
Perhaps it’s because Bill has actually read the entire request, not just the summary headline, and extrapolated the multifaceted consequences, of which “can’t resolve foo.ru” is just the tip of an iceberg.
The Ukrainian govt will try anything they possibly can and all props to them. But the rest of the world needs to be very very careful how we handle such a delicate situation.