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Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by _abox »

throwuxiytayq wrote: post #201
inglor_cz wrote: post #145

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Interesting. JetBrains, s.r.o., producers of IntelliJ (and a bunch of other IDEs such as Android Studio, PhpStorm and CLion) are incorporated in the Czech Republic, but in practice, all the development is done in Russia.

Russia is certainly about to lose some serious technical talent. I can't imagine any devs would want to stick around in that country. Hope Putin doesn't block all ways for them to emigrate.

He basically aims to reinstate the Soviet Union "glory" days so reinstating the iron curtain isn't a big stretch...

I still hope this can be settled. If Ukraine gives up the areas that were basically constant civil war anyway... Continued escalation is to nobody's benefit. I don't think the Russian population wants this war either.

PS for what it's worth I also was really opposed to my own country helping the US to invade the middle East (eg Iraq, Afghanistan). But two wrongs don't make a right.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by pydry »

KptMarchewa wrote: post #318
pydry wrote: post #282

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Saying "Ukraine will remain neutral and will not join NATO" would have stopped this war. It's an unpopular fact but it's still true.

You must be insane to believe that. Would saying Gdańsk will be neutral and Germany can transport troops between East Prussia and rest of country stop Hitler? No, those are just pretexts. He'd just go further and further and attack while you'd be way way worse position.

Hitler didnt sit publicly on a border with troops threatening to invade for 3 months with one single demand.

Putin isnt Hitler. He's a monster hes just not that specific monster.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by [deleted] »

orloffm wrote: post #319
jd115 wrote: post #259

Here's my take on this, which you are not going to like one bit. It goes like this... The good people of Russia - and I'm not saying this with a tongue in cheek - the vast majority of the people of Russia truly are GOOD people, in the simplest, most sincere sense of the word... But they do need to go through some things. You just don't get to support a murderous communist regime for 100 years and then say "but we had…

You probably are from some eastern european country and now are just happy to spit poison at us. The amount of devastation bolsheviks caused in 20-30s, two insane wars, complete cultural destruction, what else should people go through?

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Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by jopsen »

newaccount74 wrote: post #264
dmitrygr wrote: post #174

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What's the alternative to sanctions? Diplomatic attempts to convince Russia not to attack the Ukraine have failed. Sending troops to Ukraine to stop the invasion would quickly escalate the war and hurt a lot more people than economic sanctions.

Do nothing, but then we'll eventually be at war with Russia.

It's prefer Russia to be poor if we have to fight them.

Yes, there is no better alternative than sanctions.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by staskus »

As a person living in the Baltics, I agree with Western countries using their leverage (including big tech) to put as much pressure as possiblee on Russia. We’ve been sincerely holding back and crafting sanctions that would only affect Putin’s inner circle for the last 8 years but it didn’t work. Now that the ordinary Ukrainians need to withstand the horrors of the actual war, ordinary Russians need to withstand stronger sanctions. It’s an unfortunate reality, the west just cannot keep financially supporting the Russian war machine, directly or indirectly through taxes.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by ihateolives »

alephnan wrote: post #280
jd115 wrote: post #259

Here's my take on this, which you are not going to like one bit. It goes like this... The good people of Russia - and I'm not saying this with a tongue in cheek - the vast majority of the people of Russia truly are GOOD people, in the simplest, most sincere sense of the word... But they do need to go through some things. You just don't get to support a murderous communist regime for 100 years and then say "but we had…

> You just don't get to support a murderous communist regime for 100 years and then say "but we had nothing to do with it". I'm sorry, but you had everything to do with it. This is easy to say when you have the privilege of living in a rich/developed country with free access to information and where you can increasingly voice your opinion without risking imprisonment or worst. Most people, especially in developing co…

> Most people, especially in developing countries, are struggling to make ends meet and don't have time for ideology.

Most people in developing countries also do not have a lunatic with their finger on nuclear button. Russia currently does. If people don't see the need for ideology right now then we're all properly fucked, not matter on which side of the border you live. This time it's not like all the other times.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by fulvioterzapi »

beebeepka wrote: post #241

I suspect brownish people must feel pretty depressed right now. Seeing how their countries got destroyed with literally zero consequences for the war crimes of the "west". Disasters like this one is exactly what hegemonies lead to. And is Europe racist? Oh yes, we are. The cries against having brown people given asylum came from every corner of society. And now everyone is welcoming our brothers and sisters, as they…

I agree with the general point about double standards.

However, Europe is one of the least racist places in the world, and one of the places where millions of non-white people moved to and started a new life.

The tirade about a supposedly racist Europe is pretty ungenerous. Of course there are racist people in Europe here and there, but Europe as a whole is one of the least racist places in the whole world.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by daminimal »

dotancohen wrote: post #220
fabian2k wrote: post #156

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This is a pure war of agression, it is an invasion. There is no justification at all for this.

That's what the Western propaganda machine pushes (I'm Western too, certainly not pro-Russian) but do you really think that there is no rational Russian justification from the Russian perspective?

Justification for what? If Russia wanted to support russian ethnic people in Ukraine it would not invade Ukraine, but offer non-destructive help to those people.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by KptMarchewa »

orloffm wrote: post #339
darawk wrote: post #281

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I don't entirely disagree but I think a slightly better framing is: It's not their fault, but it is their responsibility. Putin is a problem for the world, and it's a problem that can only be properly solved by the Russian people. Unfortunately, that means whether they deserve it or not, they are the group to whom pressure needs to be applied.

I am a Russian citizen. How it is my responsibility? I never supported Putin and hate him as much as anyone. They destroyed Moscow over the last 20 years, gave up on Russians left in former ex-USSR countries, created a separate society of asian immigrants, muted all opposition. How am I responsible? Should I buy a tank of gazoline and go burn Kremlin? Then what? Is every european responsible for not stopping NATO in…

You're living in a modern life Nazi Germany. If you're good, get out via Dubai or other neutral country.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by dimator »

nathias wrote: post #271
redwood wrote: post #231

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I'm not sure I get it: are you saying you do not believe the international community should hold Russia accountable for its murderous incomprehensible actions in Europe?

They aren't holding Russia accountable, they holding Russians accountable and that seems like a terrible thing.

This is the point of soft power. Enough pain, and people revolt against the dipshits that earned them the pain.
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