Tell HN: If You Are in Russia • Hacker News Board

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by darebak » Tue, Mar 01, 2022, 8:34 AM UTC

cleancoder0 wrote: post #151

darebak wrote: post #93

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It did not, if you have any international court verdict that says that Serbia conducted a genocide, I would like to see it. Also Serbia was not at war with Slovenia. Those are the basic facts. Now, even if those things were true, they are claimed by the proponents of bombing, enemies if you will, the same way that Putin is claiming there is a genocide of million Ukrainians in Ukraine. Do you believe your enemies?

Yeah, technically it was the head of Yugoslavia that started a war with Slovenia the moment it left the federation (after Croatia left too). Luckily, war lasted 10 days. Not Serbia, I guess. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten-Day_War NATO bombing was not out of the blue. The head of Yugoslavia was a similar mad man (to Putin), just warring out of desperation. The best proof one has of his lunacy is the fact that Monte…

>NATO bombing was not really out of the blue. The head of Yugoslavia was a similar mad man, just warring out of desperation.

Nobody said it was out of the blue, but it was illegal, wrong and plain terrorist like.

>The best proof one has of his lunacy is the fact that Montenegro split from Serbia without any issues. How did this happen? Lucikly, the mad man died in 2000.

And the best proof of NATO lunacy is that Kosovo declared independence in 2008 because they feared Serbia which at that point wasn't in Kosovo for almost 10 years, during which Kosovar population carried out pogroms of Serbs while the UN forces just watched.

Also Milošević died in 2006, never convicted of any war crimes. Later rulings on other people incriminated him but the same can be said for Tuđman. So, I guess if you die early you are not a war criminal.

>Serbia is also the only country out of these conflicts that does not guarantee seat in the parliament for the exYugoslav minorities.

It guarantees us a seat in the parliament, you just have to pass a laughably low percentage of the general vote. As a minority from Serbia, there's lot of problems in that country but minority representation is not one of them. If I wanted I could go through life without ever using Serbian language, I am not sure the same can be said for a lot of EU countries.

>While the general sentiment of people/press in Serbia is that NATO bombing is equivalent to Putin bombing Ukraine.

Because it is the same, a territory within a country decided it wanted to be independent and it is supported by an outside imperial force.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by namecheapTA » Tue, Mar 01, 2022, 8:35 AM UTC

alangibson wrote: post #159

namecheapTA wrote: post #104

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Using a tool to help someone see that their thoughts or words are foolish isn't a bad thing. People are getting very emotional about this entire situation, which is understandable. But then they are getting on their internet soap boxes and saying things that don't make any real sense and they don't really believe. I was simply trying to make OP realize that his extremely harsh comments are just platitudes, by remindi…

> Using a tool to help someone see that their thoughts or words are foolish isn't a bad thing. That's not what you're doing. Whataboutism is a method of _stopping_ interrogation via deflection and redirection. I think a lot of people that engage in whataboutism do actually think they're trying to start a discussion or analyze the situation more deeply. They just fail to see what their actually doing due to not being…

I don't even see how what I said applies to what you're saying. Stopping interrogation? I nor anyone else was not being interrogated. I did not deflect or redirect. I asked him if he felt the same way about what America did. Not to deflect, but to get him to realize that (unless he is the 0.01% that tried to do something real about Americas many weird wars) when countries went to crazy wars previously, he did not feel the same. Hopefully that makes him wonder why.... either he is a terrible person, or his main point is wrong.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by ytpete » Tue, Mar 01, 2022, 8:35 AM UTC

throw202203 wrote: post #79

randomsearch wrote: post #31

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This is whataboutism and it is so tired. A good propaganda tactic though, and the Russians are using it as an attack vector. Westerners seem really vulnerable to this form of propaganda, possibly due to the success of previous information warfare led by Russia. Bringing up some other terrible thing for comparison does not change in any way whatsoever the severity of what is happening in Ukraine. Whataboutism propagan…

As many have said, this is not whataboutism. Western companies also paid (and keep paying) for death and destruction in Ukraine. It’s not a wild stretch to say that the whole thing was financed through selling gas and oil to the West. Google and Apple removed Russian opposition apps from their app stores and Facebook censored groups that they used to coordinate because, you know, “we have to comply with the laws of t…

And Western companies are increasingly falling in line with sanctions by ceasing to do business with Russian customers or partners. So they are also being cut off from business as usual that benefits the Russian government – it's just that since they aren't based in Russia themselves it looks a little different.

Energy prices may soar soon for Western consumers and companies. BP and Shell may need to write off multi-billion-valued stakes in Russian gas companies. Air travel routes between Europe and Asia may be about to get a lot crappier. So there are many ways that companies and individuals outside Russia will also be paying a price to put the squeeze on Putin and his military in response to what they've done.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by dmitrygr » Tue, Mar 01, 2022, 8:35 AM UTC

diiiimaaaa wrote: post #165

I am in Ukraine right now. In a small village to the north of Kyiv. I am the author of PhotoSwipe ( https://github.com/dimsemenov/photoswipe ). Yesterday I was filling bags with sand to make a fortification for local defenders. I hear artillery as I am writing this. And by the way, you get used to it. In the last few days I received about 20 emails offering support, none of them were from russian devs. One asked a te…

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Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by iamshs » Tue, Mar 01, 2022, 8:37 AM UTC

darebak wrote: post #48

readthenotes1 wrote: post #21

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A big difference is that by and large, Ukraine has won the narrative. There are no "Ukrainian artillery: go fuck yourself" stories. There's also no barely veiled threats by the US that we would nuke Iraq or Afghanistan etc. nor drop the ISS on them.

Ukraine has won the narrative in the West because Western countries wanted it that way, it's actually pretty easy to do when you cut out opposing propaganda.

Ukraine is being invaded and will come under occupation. Ukrainians are being killed. There is no way Russian propaganda would have held any sway.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by anovikov » Tue, Mar 01, 2022, 8:37 AM UTC

diiiimaaaa wrote: post #165

I am in Ukraine right now. In a small village to the north of Kyiv. I am the author of PhotoSwipe ( https://github.com/dimsemenov/photoswipe ). Yesterday I was filling bags with sand to make a fortification for local defenders. I hear artillery as I am writing this. And by the way, you get used to it. In the last few days I received about 20 emails offering support, none of them were from russian devs. One asked a te…

Russian here. This is not misinformation or anything. This is just because yes, vast majority of Russians from all walks of life are pure evil. Even those living in the Western countries for decades. I have deleted myself from all social networks 5 years ago and people keep sending me screenshots from Russian facebook groups in Cyprus and that makes me freak out. Nearly everyone is pro-Putin. Ridiculous posts get hundreds of upvotes.

I really can't see a fix for it. You have to keep containing Russia: there is no chance in hell to ever have a sustainable democratic government there, Putin or not, because people are wholeheartedly against it - they don't respect any government that doesn't make them frightened as hell.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by cf141q5325 » Tue, Mar 01, 2022, 8:37 AM UTC

madaxe_again wrote: post #136

cf141q5325 wrote: post #12

You might want to check stuff like virtual office service, incorporation in an EU country, they start really cheap, as well as getting a VPS to bounce from. And stuff like Electronic Money Institutes for at least some really basic banking. Fair warning though, some of these things look rather shady so use some common sense and be careful with your local legislation (See MrDisposables response) edit: To elaborate on t…

Sweet. I would recommend checking on stuff like “do I know how to grow and harvest potatoes” and “ensure I have firewood and a wood burning stove for heating”. These will be much more useful for survival than a virtual office space.

Yes, hierarchy of needs. But not loosing your livelihood makes the other problems easier to deal with. And like OP said, the time window is closing fast, some of that might not be possible in the future. Having pointers to potential problems and solutions can be helpful and save time. Even if its just by being able to rule them out fast.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by anovikov » Tue, Mar 01, 2022, 8:37 AM UTC

dmitrygr wrote: post #174

diiiimaaaa wrote: post #165

I am in Ukraine right now. In a small village to the north of Kyiv. I am the author of PhotoSwipe ( https://github.com/dimsemenov/photoswipe ). Yesterday I was filling bags with sand to make a fortification for local defenders. I hear artillery as I am writing this. And by the way, you get used to it. In the last few days I received about 20 emails offering support, none of them were from russian devs. One asked a te…

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Ukrainians have been doing this for decades. Hell, yes.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Mar 01, 2022, 8:37 AM UTC

godmode2019 wrote: post #155

I think its very sad normal Russian people are going to be targeted when European countries are still buying oil and gas from Russia 700million a day going straight to the war machine. Europeans pretend to care and sanction everything except for the oil and gas that is funding that war. There should always be a difference between government and people. All these sanctions are harming normal people, essentially econom…

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Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by teekert » Tue, Mar 01, 2022, 8:37 AM UTC

This whole situation is so surreal and disappointing. I grew up on Star Trek and somehow I just though we had (almost) arrived in a post-war, federation-like world. We know things should be solved with words because otherwise there are only losers. It’s how we raise our kids.

I just keep thinking about how Jean Luc is looking down on us from orbit, slowly shaking his head whispering “Savages.”