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Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by hdjjhhvvhga »

dondraper36 wrote: post #78
hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody sane thinks that normal citizens deserve sanctions; they're for the most part not responsible for the madness of one man; this is obvious when you think back about how half of the USA thought about Trump but was unable to do anything - an din Russia it's much worse. But the sanctions are meant to make people angry, go out and send a strong signal to their leaders they want a change. This is the most the West c…

Even though what you are saying about making people angry and stand up for themselves and democracy is true, it is fairly strange to pretend that leaders in the USA/EU are sincerely interested in the people of Ukraine. For some reason unknown, Ukrainians believe so which resulted in that atrocious situation where both the US and European countries are not willing to step in and protect Ukraine. Even Zelensky himself…

It would be much better for Ukraine to lose war than have NATO involved, for reasons described clearly earlier by experts: modern warfare requires the destruction of enemy's military infrastructure on their territory and the conventional warheads on the radar are indistinguishable from nuclear ones. The moment NATO starts bombing military targets in Russia is the end of our civilization (yes, we have had Russian heroes in the past who already saved our planet, but we can only pray their replacements will be equally reasonable - and even that wouldn't probably work once they realize their country is actually under attack).

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by maniflames »

blablablub wrote: post #269

What are the possibilities for an average russian citizen to leave russia and start over somewhere in the west? How about visas? Does anyone know?

Definitely, just not right now. As far as I know most western countries have stopped taking in Russian citizens.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by fulvioterzapi »

redwood wrote: post #231
freddealmeida wrote: post #222

This anti-Russian trope spreading is infuriating. If Apple and Google can stop their Pay services, of course everything else will be stopped. But that also means I don't want to be on those services either. It is too much power to give to Amazon, Microsoft and Google. I will actively move my own services to solutions that don't act like arms of the US government.

I'm not sure I get it: are you saying you do not believe the international community should hold Russia accountable for its murderous incomprehensible actions in Europe?

The USA has a longer story of military aggressions, that killed far, far, far more people.

Do you think Amazon should stop doing business with the USA, or are you saying you do not believe the international community should hold the USA accountable for their murderous incomprehensible actions around the world?

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by Gatsky »

MrDisposable wrote: post #37
gnull wrote: post #11

As a side question, how similar is Putin's war in Ukraine to the numerous wars started by U.S. (say, in the middle East, Yugoslavia)? Are these fair to compare? I'm trying to understand the scale of Putin's decision, not to justify it or engage in whataboutism.

> I'm trying to understand the scale of Putin's decision Drastic. Catastrophic. Suicidal. World-changing. The country (Russia) in its current form has just ceased to exist. The entire parasitic elite class just got cut off from everything they stole during all these years. The entire human potential of Russia just got nullified for at lest 20 years. The push towards green energy (and I hope nuclear fusion) just got a…

It’s the Russian curse, lots of potential but truly terrible leaders.

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Post by hnov »

thejackgoode wrote: post #266
freddealmeida wrote: post #222

This anti-Russian trope spreading is infuriating. If Apple and Google can stop their Pay services, of course everything else will be stopped. But that also means I don't want to be on those services either. It is too much power to give to Amazon, Microsoft and Google. I will actively move my own services to solutions that don't act like arms of the US government.

Every Russian passport holding person is responsible for this conflict. The sooner they understand this, the more country remaining they will have when this will end

When is the world going to come down on us western passport holders? It’s no coincidence we have the standard of life we do, we took it from the marginalized and the weak over the past centuries

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Post by willis936 »

EnOstac6 wrote: post #111
muzani wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As in they will not legally be allowed to accept payments from Russia. There will probably be usage of VPNs and USD/BTC, but that will also probably not be legal too. And even if it were legal, a lot of people and companies will just not do it. The world plans to make things very difficult for Russia should the war continue. Also I just noticed elsewhere on HN that Namecheap has officially sanctioned Russia themselve…

And this Namecheap sanctions just hit independent students journal DOXA. Four of its journalists are being trialed right now because of January 2021 protests. They are accused for sharing a motivational video addressed to students not to stay silent. Yesterday russian censorship started to block DOXA site, because they published anti-war debate manual. They switched their domain then got sanctioned by Namecheap. It i…

While much more limited than a website, I think torrent is a good solution to censorship-resistant file sharing.

Getting an index of torrents around is the trick.

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Post by alangibson »

dumdumdumdum wrote: post #157
alangibson wrote: post #139

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Give it up. Azov Battalion is explicitly neo-Nazi. It's also about about 1500 people. If you're going to engage in whataboutism over the wholesale invasion of a country, you've gonna have to do better than that. That said, there's no justification for the Nazi crap.

Come up with a new word. Not everything is 'whataboutism'. But more to the point, if it's such a small force why is part of the National Guard of Ukraine. Disband it and send the members suspected of war crimes to stand trial at The Hague. I'm sure a nation looking to join the EU would have no problems doing that. edit: Also something that's bothering me...what do you mean they are "explicitly neo-Nazi"? Is that some…

> Come up with a new word.

When a different word is appropriate, then I'll use it.

> Not everything is 'whataboutism'.

No, but your comment was.

> But more to the point, if it's such a small force why is part of the National Guard of Ukraine.

Because they were very effective fighters.

> Disband it

I hope they do.

> and send the members suspected of war crimes to stand trial at The Hague.

This is what should happen to anyone suspected of war crimes. No qualification is needed.

> what do you mean they are "explicitly neo-Nazi"? Is that somehow different to being a Nazi in your mind? Weird thing to point out...

No it's not. Neo-Nazi is the accepted term since the National Socialist part of Germany no longer exists. They're new Nazis. It's right there in the word.

And it's explicit because they use symbols the Nazis used and they call themselves Nazis.

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Post by KptMarchewa »

pydry wrote: post #282
ogogmad wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think that talking to Hitler is going to stop a war?

Saying "Ukraine will remain neutral and will not join NATO" would have stopped this war. It's an unpopular fact but it's still true.

You must be insane to believe that. Would saying Gdańsk will be neutral and Germany can transport troops between East Prussia and rest of country stop Hitler? No, those are just pretexts. He'd just go further and further and attack while you'd be way way worse position.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by orloffm »

jd115 wrote: post #259

Here's my take on this, which you are not going to like one bit. It goes like this... The good people of Russia - and I'm not saying this with a tongue in cheek - the vast majority of the people of Russia truly are GOOD people, in the simplest, most sincere sense of the word... But they do need to go through some things. You just don't get to support a murderous communist regime for 100 years and then say "but we had…

You probably are from some eastern european country and now are just happy to spit poison at us. The amount of devastation bolsheviks caused in 20-30s, two insane wars, complete cultural destruction, what else should people go through?

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

pydry wrote: post #282
ogogmad wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think that talking to Hitler is going to stop a war?

Saying "Ukraine will remain neutral and will not join NATO" would have stopped this war. It's an unpopular fact but it's still true.

And then what? Everybody would be happy ever after? No, Russia wants a pro-Russia government in Ukraine, and they didn't like that Ukraine instead moved away from Russia and Russian influence via things like promoting the Ukranian language instead of Russian.

It's a bullying tactic and infringes on a country's sovereignty.

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