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Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by kingcharles »

bink wrote: post #243
grayfaced wrote: post #198

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Attacking systems still remains illegal within US. Making that choice is a bet on the whims of what prosecutors are willing to prosecute.

Yes, exactly. And some of us have been subject to the whims of prosecutors in the past. It's relatively easy to say that you trust the US to do what is right compared to Russia, it's much harder to put your faith and your future in the hands of any government.

Exactly. Prosecutors goals are to prosecute. Even if they don't see the prosecution through to the end because it becomes politically unfavorable, you might still sit in pre-trial detention for a decade before they drop the charges.

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Post by Aeolun »

selfhoster11 wrote: post #384
Aeolun wrote: post #337

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> It looks like there won't be a Ukrainian government to speak of in a few days. I don’t see why this would be true. The legitimate government doesn’t have to be in kiev to coordinate the defense of the country.

But an illegitimate government can be installed fairly easily in Kiev instead.

Certainly, but that is fairly pointless if the existing government still controls 90% of the country.

I think the psychological effect of losing Kiev would be much lower if they planned on that from the start too, but I guess that bird has flown.

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Post by exikyut »

100011_100001 wrote: post #479
bink wrote: post #94

This thread is mostly full of jokes, and that's cool. But more seriously I'm exactly the kind of person I suppose this is meant to appeal to. I've spent the last 2-3 decades breaking into systems. Many of these systems comprise what the US calls "critical infrastructure". That's pipelines, power generation, transmission, distribution. Air traffic control systems. Government agencies. I'm based in the US. The problem…

Since there is no way to contact you directly. I am interested in learning how to pen test etc. Do you have a recommended path to take? I'm lacking a good starting point.

I wondered this too but didn't have any good ideas (generally speaking, building theory, etc)

Just belatedly noticed https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30471631, perhaps you hadn't seen it

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Post by reitanqild »

amcoastal wrote: post #451
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #278

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>German soldiers would cryingly admit to POWs already at the start of the war that they were absolutely not voluntarily there, they'd just be shot if they refused No shit they weren't there voluntarily, no sane people want to go to their death, but those were the rules for mandatory conscription for them back then. Even today some European countries still have mandatory conscription, and while they won't shoot you fo…

I'd sit in a jail cell before I got drafted into an unjust war. Doesn't seem like a hard decision to me. Now if you're repelling aggressive invaders, that's a different story.

FWIW going abroad has so far always been voluntary for drafted soldiers in most (all?) NATO countries as long as article 5 is not invoked.

I shyed away from education / officer training because I felt the risk of being sent on peace keeping to the middle east, but 20 years later I see I could safely have done it.

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Post by sofixa »

wolverine876 wrote: post #594
sofixa wrote: post #300

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> Without Ukraine's Crimean peninsula, Russia loses sea access to the Black Sea and thus the Mediterranean for their navy (and also for trade), That's untrue. Sevastopol is the main port and naval base in the Black Sea, but Russia has plenty of others, and some are even undergoing expansion - Novorosiisk ( the backup one). Sevastopol is in Crimea, but was shared under an agreement between the Russian and Ukrainian na…

> That's untrue. Sevastopol is the main port and naval base in the Black Sea, but Russia has plenty of others, and some are even undergoing expansion - Novorosiisk ( the backup one). I have never seen someone claim that Novorosiisk was a sufficient port. Maybe it's a capacity issue? > Sevastopol is in Crimea, but was shared under an agreement between the Russian and Ukrainian navies. It is in a foreign country, an un…

Novorosiisk is undergoing expansion for precisely that reason. And Ukraine wasn't exactly unfriendly before the invasions, the Sevastopol lease was prolonged just before that.

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Post by cutemonster »

jessaustin wrote: post #577
cutemonster wrote: post #382

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Assad and Putin intentionally bombed hospitals in Syria Not the US. Maybe they did some time unintentionally, but with Putin it was part of his plans. > they supported [the] Kurds Of course, the Kurds and the US and Iraq were fighting together against Daesh (the so called Islamic State). You're giving the impression that you like Assad, Putin, Erdagon, possibly Daesh as well. What kind of person are you, I start wond…

USA unsupervised services created Daesh, and supplied most of its weapons. This was done to destabilize Assad, and of course to enrich the weapons manufacturers. The idea that Assad and Daesh were ever allies is bizarre.

> The idea that Assad and Daesh were ever allies

No one here said they were.

You're misreading.

"Seems someone likes Assad, maybe X" does not mean "Assad and X are allies".

It's possible for someone to like both Stalin and Hitler although they weren't allies (in the end).

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Post by jonathanstrange »

austinjp wrote: post #584
jonathanstrange wrote: post #504

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You're treating an aggressive war in Europe like a minor calamity. It is an obvious responsibility of the state to help people pay for substitute heating and ease the negative impact of conflicts like that. In the worst case, even the military could step in. Helping citizens in times of conflict is one of the primary functions of governments and state institutions. It's much better to face these kind of negative cons…

> You're treating an aggressive war in Europe like a minor calamity I have absolutely no idea why you say this, and I can assure you that I am not doing this. Fuel poverty in Europe and the UK are among many reasons why those nations should take what's happening in the Ukraine very seriously. My concern is that the ruling parties don't take these things seriously enough . To reassure you: I completely agree that stat…

I'm reasonably certain that the German government would not let citizens freeze to death because of a gas shortage. Otherwise, we agree.

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Post by amcoastal »

reitanqild wrote: post #604
amcoastal wrote: post #451

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I'd sit in a jail cell before I got drafted into an unjust war. Doesn't seem like a hard decision to me. Now if you're repelling aggressive invaders, that's a different story.

FWIW going abroad has so far always been voluntary for drafted soldiers in most (all?) NATO countries as long as article 5 is not invoked. I shyed away from education / officer training because I felt the risk of being sent on peace keeping to the middle east, but 20 years later I see I could safely have done it.

I'm in the US, we remember vietnam.

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Post by throwrqX »

oneoff786 wrote: post #517
throwrqX wrote: post #507

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Well in a perfect world yes we would. However the world is not perfect, and most "white" people so to speak care more about white people than some Muslims in the Middle East or some Africans in Africa, that's just the reality of the situation. Hence why they're more interested in what goes on in European countries than in other ones.

So we go in, kill everyone doing the genocide, leave, and then another group takes power and starts doing more genocide. Do we do it again?

In a perfect world we do that and develop a plan that allows the country to develop and hence stop the circular rot like that.

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Post by majewsky »

eadmund wrote: post #509
majewsky wrote: post #324

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> They've also suffered a lot to end two world wars that they didn't start. This is even more true of the Russians, and as an outsider, I'm wondering how much of their politics is informed by those memories.

>> They've also suffered a lot to end two world wars that they didn't start. > This is even more true of the Russians No, it is not. The First World War was started because Russia backed up Serbia's refusal of Austria's ultimatum after a Serbian operation assassinated Austria's crown prince (and France & the UK backed up Russia, while Germany backed up Austria, and the whole powder keg blew up). The Second World War…

I was speaking specifically of the Russian people.
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