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Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by glogla »

watwut wrote: post #228
thesz wrote: post #224

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What you consider misinformation and propaganda I may consider valuable vantage points. I also should point that any defense of the freedom of speech also defends freedom of misinformation and propaganda.

> What you consider misinformation and propaganda I may consider valuable vantage points. If they are actual misinformation and propaganda and you are unwilling to even admit existence of that category, then you yourself are threat to freedom - of speech or otherwise. > I also should point that any defense of the freedom of speech also defends freedom of misinformation and propaganda. Nah. Defenders of free speech no…

I agree, drowning out normal voices in fake news and bots is as much censorship as banning them outright - it is just a form of censorship that (some) free speech advocates are complicit with.

But the biggest issue in my mind is that fake news, misinformation and bot bullying makes social media money, so they are never going to stop it.

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Post by reitanqild »

eatbitseveryday wrote: post #32
simne wrote: post #25

I'm Ukrainian activist for 10+ years, have been on Maidan, etc, know many other activists. Unfortunately, we have not seen understanding with any government. Looks like, all people who got to government or state organizations, work on classical totalitarian scheme - "for friends all the best, for all others - severity of the law". Mean, system is so much disbalanced, that any government got totalitarian power and doe…

> If you really want to help Ukraine, better to contact volunteers-entrepreneurs, who where on Maidan, and who struggle for economic freedoms, and support Ukrainian army as private persons, without government/state. > You could just donate, or you could create some business opportunity, so Ukrainians will make business, export working hours, or export some products to world. This makes sense, but I wonder if this wou…

Already I'll do what I can:

I browsed Ukraine web shops and found at least Spar has an open webshop: https://shop.spar.ua/ . If anyone has an address to order for I'll try ordering some goods for the front line, bunkers or what do I know.

In the longer term I'll do what I already do to China:

I happily pay 20% more for small goods not made in China and in fact I try to avoid buying Chinese.

At the same time I'll happily pay even a bit more for Lithuanian goods after their brave stance the last few months. (Lithuanians, make sure "Made in Lithuania" is visible on everything you ship. You guys rock!)

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Post by bink »

grayfaced wrote: post #198
kweinber wrote: post #152

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Defending an ally from an enemy is not something the US government punishes people for. If you want to help the people of Ukraine then #standwithukraine.

Attacking systems still remains illegal within US. Making that choice is a bet on the whims of what prosecutors are willing to prosecute.

Yes, exactly. And some of us have been subject to the whims of prosecutors in the past. It's relatively easy to say that you trust the US to do what is right compared to Russia, it's much harder to put your faith and your future in the hands of any government.

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Post by rightbyte »

electroly wrote: post #88
whatshisface wrote: post #71

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> All your points seem to reduce support for and divert it from the Ukranian government and their military. Isn't that absurdly dangerous in this moment? Almost none of the people on HN have anything to contribute to the Ukranian military. At the same time, all of the things related to actually living as a person in any country, at war or peace time, revolve around jobs, the economy and technology, things people on H…

You can donate money to the Ukrainian military. It's not very convenient (no PayPal etc.) but the military is accepting foreign donations via wire transfers. https://ukraine.ua/news/support-the-armed-forces-of-ukraine/

It is pouring in money to the Ukraine state from other state's money printers. Donating to the government in this case seems extremely pointless. Ukraine does not need money they need AA and AT weapons a month ago.

If you want to donate I would try to find some small scale relief effort that probably has no free Central bank money raining over it.

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Post by Hackbraten »

nopenopenopeno wrote: post #232
Hackbraten wrote: post #221

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I just donated to the Ukrainian army. They’re people too, and deserve the best medical and logistic support money can buy. The ruling class in Moscow isn’t just attacking some other ruling class. They’re attacking _my_ Europe. I don’t care about any military-industrial complex, or even the military in general. But the moment that some misguided person decides to launch rockets at Europe, I’m not willing to just sit b…

This is effectively no different than donating money to the United States military. I can hardly imagine a more ridiculous thing to do with money.

That’s your point of view, and that’s fine.

Mine doesn’t involve the United States at all. Try putting yourself in the shoes of a citizen of Europe who wants to live in peace, but feels their community is under attack by a nostalgic Russian dictator with an inferiority complex.

Not resisting and not getting involved is what my grandparents did when the Nazis were rising to power. I’m not going to make the same mistake.

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Post by throwawaynay »

bink wrote: post #94

This thread is mostly full of jokes, and that's cool. But more seriously I'm exactly the kind of person I suppose this is meant to appeal to. I've spent the last 2-3 decades breaking into systems. Many of these systems comprise what the US calls "critical infrastructure". That's pipelines, power generation, transmission, distribution. Air traffic control systems. Government agencies. I'm based in the US. The problem…

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Post by Loic »

reitanqild wrote: post #235
black_puppydog wrote: post #147

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Sorry but what? * It looks like there won't be a Ukrainian government to speak of in a few days. * Manipulative behaviour has been identified on twitter and Facebook almost every day for the last few years, and it hasn't really led to much anything. The Ukrainian government can't do anything about that, if the independent banana republics of FAANG don't decide to act, nothing is gonna change. * Likewise for patreon.…

You are probably downvoted for - voluntarily or involuntarily (I cannot judge) - running the errands of the enemies of the free world by suggesting that it is hopeless while it is absolutely not. (Why is it not hopeless? Russian forces suffer large losses and their morale is breaking, after all, what sane person wants to shoot their peaceful neigbours and relatives? Russians are already taking to the streets to prote…

The most important part in what you wrote:

> no sane person wants to shoot their peaceful neighbors and relatives

and this is the case for all Russians even most of the ones in the army in Ukraine, right now. People do not want war. Period. For a human being to go to war, he/she needs to be heavily indoctrinated to the point of partially losing is normal references. Even today, with heavily indoctrinated armies, only a small subset of the forces are effectively shooting bullets.

War is decided by crazy leaders (and I am polite) far away from the lines.

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Post by MarcellusDrum »

reitanqild wrote: post #235
black_puppydog wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry but what? * It looks like there won't be a Ukrainian government to speak of in a few days. * Manipulative behaviour has been identified on twitter and Facebook almost every day for the last few years, and it hasn't really led to much anything. The Ukrainian government can't do anything about that, if the independent banana republics of FAANG don't decide to act, nothing is gonna change. * Likewise for patreon.…

You are probably downvoted for - voluntarily or involuntarily (I cannot judge) - running the errands of the enemies of the free world by suggesting that it is hopeless while it is absolutely not. (Why is it not hopeless? Russian forces suffer large losses and their morale is breaking, after all, what sane person wants to shoot their peaceful neigbours and relatives? Russians are already taking to the streets to prote…

The phrase "the free world" rubs me the wrong way. I'm obviously against what Russia is doing, any sane man would be. But as a middle eastern, the US to us has been 10x worse than Russia: They killed a million Iraqis, they killed Syrian civilians by bombing hospitals and schools. They overthrew a functional government in Libya, and they supported Syrian/Iraqi separatists (Kurds). They forcefully tried to build a military base in Lebanon. Not only that, but they also tortured, raped, and humiliated innocent Iraqis in Abou Gharib, without any major repercussions.

Just because the US did it, doesn't mean that Russia is justified or less wrong, both are wrong, and neither get to call out the other for humanitarian reasons.

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Post by eps »

simne wrote: post #50
eatbitseveryday wrote: post #32

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> If you really want to help Ukraine, better to contact volunteers-entrepreneurs, who where on Maidan, and who struggle for economic freedoms, and support Ukrainian army as private persons, without government/state. > You could just donate, or you could create some business opportunity, so Ukrainians will make business, export working hours, or export some products to world. This makes sense, but I wonder if this wou…

Thank You for answer. What I see now, kremlin for sure have not prepared for long term war campaign, they just have not built hospitals for wounded (thanks to western sat photos, provided by official sources), and this is extremely important, because in real war, 80% wounded die within 24h if have not received medical care in nearest 1-2 hours. And if will be resistance, attacking forces will have very large number o…

> they just have not built hospitals

Didn't Biden explicitly say yesterday that they were preparing for the war and in fact built field hospitals, brought blood supplies, etc.?

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