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Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

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Post by mzs »

perihelions wrote: post #27

Tangentially, if you appreciate being able to read raw, unfiltered OSINT like OP (@OAlexanderDK) dug up, you'd be interested to know Twitter mistakenly suspended his account twice in the past three days [0] -- one among a large number of legitimate OSINT people covering Ukraine. The existence of this kind of HN thread is fragile. You can also read Twitter Site Integrity's apology and response [1], or independent repo…

I support OSINT but this particular person has repeatedly been wrong and alarmist - plus he toots his horn for being right even when he's wrong:

https://twitter.com/badc0fee/status/1495914223427276804

This particular case is likely armor kicking-up radioactive dust, and since the ground is wet it's not much of a problem:

https://twitter.com/badc0fee/status/1497253041854025728

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

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Post by reitanqild »

KarlKemp wrote: post #99
reitanqild wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I fail to see what purpose posting gore such as this serves. Nobody needs proof that war is bad.

I'm afraid a lot of people have no clue. Their only idea is action movies and FPS games.

I don't have much more myself.

But I do care deeply and this - while tragic for the poor souls and their poor parents back in Russia - isn't that bad.

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

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Post by dillondoyle »

newsclues wrote: post #69
yaris wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From some russian sources I’ve read that Chernobyl has been taken by Belarus soldiers, not russians. Because Belarus guys are sensitive to anything going on around Chernobyl and want to secure the site.

The Russias attack Kiev came from Belarus. If Belarusian soldiers are involved that is a greater escalation that simply allowing Russia to invade another nation through their territory. Belarus being a Russian pawn at the moment anything is possible I guess

I've read both reports that Belarusian military is in Ukraine, and also not. I can't find a legitimate top AP or similar report. The not sources seem to be repeating video put out from Russia so I wouldn't buy any side right now.

Either way Belarus are defacto participants having done military drills, allowing tanks to move through their checkpoints into Russia.

Regardless of whether they are or are not shooting right now, Belarus is 100% a pawn of Russia.

That is the model Putin is trying to create in Ukraine.

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

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Post by justinpombrio »

borgchick wrote: post #62

So are soldiers from both sides, either on foot or in vehicles in full radiation suits??? If not, aren't they at severe risk of radiation poisoning (in addition to rapid on set lead poisoning)? Not to mention if they continue past chernobyl into other regions, aren't they just gonna carry all that radiation with them?

> If not, aren't they at severe risk of radiation poisoning?

The Chernobyl exclusion zone extends miles outside the reactor, and gets tourists. I think the danger level is more like "don't live here or you'll get cancer" than "don't walk here or you'll die". And don't pick up sketchy looking things because they might give you cancer. Inside/near the sarcophagus is a different story (that I don't know, but assume is much worse).

For example, the local wildlife is apparently doing better now than it was before the meltdown, because of lack of human activity. Not counting right next to the reactor where things died.

Hopefully the Russian troops don't interfere with ongoing cleanup efforts...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_Exclusion_Zone#Radio...

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

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Post by temac »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #96
yumraj wrote: post #72

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So, the Russian soldiers are all probably breathing this dust and their equipment will spread it to where ever they deploy in Ukraine? That doesn't sound good at all.

Considering that they're mostly just passing by, and that the levels are not really high, it won't be that bad. I didn't do the math, but the radiation levels for driving past there, or staying there for a day or two, would probably be very low, and comparable to a lot of other stuff we do without thinking (plane rides, xrays etc.)

They will breath the dust and get some internal radiation though. Not really a problem for the others if they move after that, but not very good for them.

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

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Post by petters »

yumraj wrote: post #72
nuccy wrote: post #3

Russians came from Belarus and with their tanks disrupt the radioactive soil and create dust [1]. The internal systems and the reactors themselves are in nominal state without changes. 1. https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-says-chernobyl-radia...

So, the Russian soldiers are all probably breathing this dust and their equipment will spread it to where ever they deploy in Ukraine? That doesn't sound good at all.

Compared to the other things the soldiers will likely be doing, this sounds like an irrelevant problem.

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

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Post by contravariant »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #96
yumraj wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, the Russian soldiers are all probably breathing this dust and their equipment will spread it to where ever they deploy in Ukraine? That doesn't sound good at all.

Considering that they're mostly just passing by, and that the levels are not really high, it won't be that bad. I didn't do the math, but the radiation levels for driving past there, or staying there for a day or two, would probably be very low, and comparable to a lot of other stuff we do without thinking (plane rides, xrays etc.)

The problem with breathing the stuff is that it may stay with you for quite a while. This isn't the worst thing with gamma radiation since most radiation will just pass through the body, but beta or alpha radiation could be worrying if that's still present (I don't know if it is, but disturbing the ground in Chernobyl and breathing the resulting dust doesn't sound like the safest way to find out)

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

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Post by connordoner »

temac wrote: post #106
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering that they're mostly just passing by, and that the levels are not really high, it won't be that bad. I didn't do the math, but the radiation levels for driving past there, or staying there for a day or two, would probably be very low, and comparable to a lot of other stuff we do without thinking (plane rides, xrays etc.)

They will breath the dust and get some internal radiation though. Not really a problem for the others if they move after that, but not very good for them.

One might argue that’s a price you pay when murdering innocent civilians in land that isn’t yours, no?

Re: Radiation spikes in Chernobyl

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Post by bluGill »

ornornor wrote: post #88
sschueller wrote: post #17

What strategic purpose would taking Chernobyl have other than maybe securing the site and preventing someone from blowing a hole in the sarcophagus?

Isn’t it still generating electricity (with the reactors that didn’t melt down) for the region despite everything? I guess as an invader, you’d want to control the power plant.

That was shutdown a few years ago. Though I suspect that there is other infrastructure still in/through the area.
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