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Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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I guess the tricky thing about a military, as german history shows, is its cultural impact. Would the Nazi regime have been possible without Hindenburg? Would Hitler have become prominent without Ludendorf? Ludendorf and Hindenburg essentially created the stab-in-the-back idea. The outsize respect given to military figures, the allure of uniforms, the outsize rights and trust given to ex-soldiers - all these things m…

I suppose there were plenty of cultural ties between the Imperial German Army and the rise of Hitler. But for Germany to still not possess a credible defence force due to those ties is hard to justify, especially if the US no longer can be relied upon. Personally, I don't care much whether there is a pan-EU force or national militaries (tied together by both the EU and Nato) that fills this role, but I see it is a pr…

Well, I think part of the problem is that the kind of people that were in the german army after the war were Nazis in the literal sense, and the kind of people that prospered in the environment these Nazis created were Nazis in the contemporary sense. This is amply illustrated by the endless slew of scandals that come out of the Bundeswehr around this issue[0].

I imagine these days it's a little better, but it's still a bit of a magnet for the hard right in germany, for all the obvious reasons.

[0] https://ctc.usma.edu/the-insider-threat-far-right-extremism-...

PS: I think in general it's germany's ongoing far-right problem that makes nationalist-adjacent careers and institutions far less attractive to normal people, so it's sort of a vicious circle.

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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Because Putin is not insane and does not want to destroy Russia. He wants to take it, and he can threaten and get away with it because the West won't react. If the US 'gave' the Ukranians some drones and guided missiles and then 'fired' said missiles for the Ukrainians at Russian forces in Ukraine, at the bhest of Ukraine, what's he going to do? Start lobbing nukes? In fact, the Nuke/MAD part is what makes it maybe s…

> Start lobbing nukes? That's exactly what he just threatened to do.

If Putin lobbed a nuke at Russia, it would be the end of Russia.

Putin is not stupid, he is stronger than Ukraine, but weaker than NATO.

There would be an embargo, they'd be encircled, their economy would shut down, Putin would be brought to some kind of trial and Russia would be denuclaraized.

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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You seem to have missed the point. > If Russia attacks a member of NATO then all members of NATO are obligated to join in defence militarily And? They can't actually respond militarily because MAD. NATO is useless if the enemy knows you won't initiate MAD, but they can (democracy vs dictatorship).

>>And? They can't actually respond militarily because MAD. Why? Of course they would. And yes we would all die. It's the other way around - a NATO country wouldn't be attacked by Russia because yes, NATO would attack back.

You'd think so, wouldn't you?

In fact Republicans are already saying that even sanctions aren't acceptable. Going to war... not a chance!

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1497033251424190466

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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Ukraine is not a NATO member, but Poland is. If Russia attacks a member of NATO then all members of NATO are obligated to join in defence militarily . Russia can attack non-NATO countries and intimidate NATO into doing nothing, but to attack a NATO member would automatically bring the whole alliance into the war. The whole point of alliances like NATO is to prevent countries from being picked off by a bully the way U…

> If Russia attacks a member of NATO then all members of NATO are obligated to join in defence militarily. That's what is commonly believed, but that belief is actually wrong - other NATO members are obligated to - and I quote directly from Article 5 here - "(...) assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, includi…

What's the point of even having it then? It's like saying "You are obligated to do what you want to do". You'd do it even if you weren't "obligated" to do so and if you don't want to do it then you can just deem it "unnecessary" and it's no longer obligated.

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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Turkey conquered part of Cyprus in 1974 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_invasion_of_Cyprus

Similar to an earlier comment I made, if Norther Cyprus had more than 350k people in it, the world would probably care more. So I agree you’re right, but I also hope you agree that Ukraine is very different.

Population size doesn’t matter. What only matters is strong army willing to repeal aggressor. What could help Ukraine is that Russian soldiers don’t want to fight for Putin and oligarchs.

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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> sometimes worth it to hurt yourself in order to hurt an uncooperative player. Why has the Ukraine not blown the gas lines?

It'd hurt Europe far more than Russia in the short term. Russia would lose revenue but they have buffer reserves so it'd do little to hamper them in the short term. But Europe isn't prepared for it and it'd be a huge shock.

At this point why does Ukraine give two poots about the rest of Europe?

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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I don't think Putin is going to stop after Ukraine - he may temporarily stop to rebuild and plan the next war, but my belief is he will keep salami slicing until war is joined because he crosses some line that people stand up to him. Better to do it cheaper. The "you" was, well, everyone in the world. I don't really subscribe to the strange belief that I should only care about human suffering of my countrymen. Howeve…

> I don't think Putin is going to stop after Ukraine - he may temporarily stop to rebuild and plan the next war, So far they seem to have occupied heavily pro-Russian areas very close to home that have not put up much resistance. I don't think that's a good indication they would just keep going further. Possibly though. > but my belief is he will keep salami slicing until war is joined because he crosses some line th…

> hey seem to have occupied heavily pro-Russian areas very close to home that have not put up much resistance. I don't think that's a good indication they would just keep going further.

Since you wrote your comment, Putin has starting acting bellicose to Finland. No where near attacking - yet. But it certainly doesn't make "he's only going to nip a little and then stop forever" seem likely.

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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German here. There are a multitude of reasons... forgive me all the German sources please, but I don't really have the time to dig up English sources of the same quality. First of all is the close history that the Social Democrats have with Russia, dating back to former Chancellor Willy Brandt and the Neue Ostpolitik, and renewed by the 1998-2006 former Chancellor Gerhard Schröder who initiated the Nord Stream 1 gas…

Thank you. As always, it’s a rare luxury to be able to get meaningful insights from this virtual community.

You're welcome. If you have any questions about German politics (although, I admit, with a bias towards the left), just ask away!

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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Why would China shut off Russia when it also faces the same adversaries from across the ocean? This is their moment prove CIPS.

You need to finish that sentence: "...prove CIPS enables imperialist expansion."

Yeah imperialism sure sounds like weaponizing international systems nominally neutral.

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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Actually interception happens at the boost phase (upon launch) with these systems, so decoys are not possible unless you literally launch multiple rockets.

That seems like a problem in itself, it needs to be on a hair trigger to fire soon enough to catch a weapon soon after launch. Sure would be bad to accidentally shoot down an unannounced manned rocket launch after the software thought it was a nuclear launch.

That's the problem decision time is so short.

Missile defense is as it exists today is not a deterrent.

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