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Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by toomanybeersies »

chrisco255 wrote: post #346
badRNG wrote: post #290

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I mean, is Iraq even a loss politically? The US thoroughly rolled the Iraqi military, killed over 1 million Iraqis, overthrew their government, and installed a new government in Iraq that still exists today. To say this is a "loss" leaves us at a place where the term has no meaning.

Yes, because it required 20 years of active occupation, numerous offensives, and trillions of dollars and it's unlikely that the result will last. While we fucked around in the middle east, Russia regained strength and China emerged as a peer world power. Does anyone want to bet that Iraq or Afghanistan will remain our loyal ally in this new multipolar world? We're now $30T in debt with a 125% debt-to-GDP ratio. All…

> Yes, because it required 20 years of active occupation, numerous offensives, and trillions of dollars and it's unlikely that the result will last.

By that logic, the Germans lost the Franco-Prussian War because they subsequently lost the First World War.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by tablespoon »

> We are shocked and heartbroken at the invasion of Ukraine. Like so many around the world, we are watching this tragedy closely and wishing for the safety of the Ukrainian people in harm’s way.

Their wishes aren't worth squat.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by tablespoon »

KptMarchewa wrote: post #260
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #252

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> Ukraine is not a tiny nation, and Russia is huge. The US, the most well-funded army in the world for the past generation, hasn't won a war since the end of WW2. Army size and the like does not matter. The Ukranian forces can entrench themselves and maintain a guerilla war for a long time, as long as they have supplies. I strongly feel like wars are unwinnable. It either ends up in a stalemate and attrition - see th…

>The US, the most well-funded army in the world for the past generation, hasn't won a war since the end of WW2. That depends on the definition of winning. In many cases, US military won everything militarily, but lost politically.

>> The US, the most well-funded army in the world for the past generation, hasn't won a war since the end of WW2.

> That depends on the definition of winning. In many cases, US military won everything militarily, but lost politically.

This. It also really, really depends on definitions. Did the US win the Korean war because South Korea still exists, or lose because North Korea still exists?

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by gruez »

redwood wrote: post #40
breakfastduck wrote: post #32

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While I wouldn't have stopped this myself, I think its perfectly reasonable for a crowdfunding website to not want to host campaigns used to purchase military grade weaponry.

Freedom. What is being defended here is the right to have a website like this at all. The west has a long way to go to wake up to what's at stake here.

Patreon isn't against "freedom" and they most certainly know what's at stake here. What they're against is having to decide whether a cause is just or not. After all, one side's "freedom fighter" is another side's terrorist. In this case it might be pretty obvious, but they don't want to get in the habit of having to make calls, because there are far more cases that are less clear cut.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by T3RMINATED »

sofixa wrote: post #190
T3RMINATED wrote: post #157

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Your comment was flagged, i vouched for it so i can downvote and rebuke. No. Inaction is equal to support of the Russian invasion ( like in so many other cases). People have to decide for themselves what they want, where their morals lie, and how they want to act on that. Message of support? Donation? Whatever. Ignoring the problem only helps the war criminals. Don't critique people for daring to speak and act agains…

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Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by gruez »

sam0x17 wrote: post #289
Jolter wrote: post #133

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There is a difference to funding a gun blog or shooting-focused YouTube channel, versus training army personnel and buying guns for them.

When a conventional army starts using that channel's videos for training, does that mean they magically stop receiving funding?

As long as there's a plausibly non-military use of such projects (ie. entertainment), it's fine. It's not any different than funding some open source project, even though the open source project can theoretically be used for weaponry.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by throw_m239339 »

praptak wrote: post #166
piokoch wrote: post #19

If anyone wants to support Ukraine defense directly, please use: https://ukraine.ua/news/support-the-armed-forces-of-ukraine/ or https://ukraine.ua/news/donate-to-the-nbu-fund/ this is a bit of a hassle, as UA government agencies can accept donations only through wire transfers, but that's just a few clicks in the banking app anyway.

Anybody can confirm whether ukraine.ua is legit? Their SSL certificate is issued to sni.cloudflaressl.com, which says nothing about whoever owns ukraine.ua. I'd say this one looks a bit more legit: https://bank.gov.ua/en/news/all/natsionalniy-bank-vidkriv-sp...

The site is definitely legit and linked to the Ukrainian government. Now hopefully, the money will actually serve the intended goal and not land into some official's pockets... I'm just stating the facts of the region, nothing more.

I would (and will) personally give money to NGO like the red cross or doctor without borders if they intend to intervene in Ukraine, rather than the military.

Re: On the removal of Come Back Alive

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Post by stavros »

weird-eye-issue wrote: post #336
praptak wrote: post #166

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Anybody can confirm whether ukraine.ua is legit? Their SSL certificate is issued to sni.cloudflaressl.com, which says nothing about whoever owns ukraine.ua. I'd say this one looks a bit more legit: https://bank.gov.ua/en/news/all/natsionalniy-bank-vidkriv-sp...

Well how do you think they got Cloudflare to issue a cert on their behalf? By proving ownership of the domain...

They aren't doubting that the people who set up CloudFlare didn't own the domain, they're saying the cert is anonymous.
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